Polarity FAQ

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Brutha

What do you think that Hitler was afraid of?
He created fear in other people. He didn't thought much about possible defeats, he didn't feared them but focused on what he wanted to archive.
If fear would have mattered for his decision making he probably wouldn't have attacked Russia before having ended the war on the other front.

What was Hitler afraid of? Well ask that of all darkworkers: not death exactly, but ego-death, being put into a sense of total helplessness and vulnerability from which he could never recover. To avoid this at all costs, he wanted to subjugate the world and control it to the last atom.

He might have acted bravely, sure. A darkworker can be brave: for them it involves creating a fear energy powerful enough to push them through whatever fear they want to defeat. A lightworker moves through fear propulsed by love energy, and does so knowing that fear itself is an illusion that must be faced and resolved, not run from.

Hitler didn't fought for himself but for his ideal of Germany.

He fought for his ego. His ideal of Germany, if it was anything other than an instrument of control, was an extension of himself: the emphasis is "HIS ideal". Why make all of these absurd ideas like hatred towards Jews and homosexuals? Because common sense ideas like the idea that everyone is equally worthy of love aren't unique enough to be built into a personal sense of self. He has to be different to be able to feel superior.

We don't need to be able to see into Hitler's head to know he used fear energy. It was written all over him. His speeches which motivated millions of Germans into frenzies of hate -- that was powerful, powerful fear. The way he made himself the one and only leader of Germany which everyone looked up to - basically a god - pure ego.

[Plato]

Damn, Andrew, that's an awesome post

[Andrew Gubb]

^Thanks Plato!

Actually I was hoping you'd drop in on this thread... Eric Revelin's last post got me unsure. Do you reckon he's a real darkworker? What about this bit:

Somebody who really loves themselves ain't gonna feel lonely.

Do you agree with that after your experience as a darkworker?

This bit of his seems to make logical sense:

Realistically you can't completely abandon the interests of others if you want to succeed in life. As a human being you can't completely abandon the interest of others because you're going to care about some of them. If polarizing causes you to forsake part of your nature it will destroy you which would defeat the purpose of doing it in the first place.

But somehow I don't think this sort of cerebral logic fits with the energetic logic of polarity. I think the whole point of polarising is to forsake a part of your nature... at least in so far as you are able.

Sure you "forsake" fear by embracing it, loving it, and letting it disappear of its own accord... But a lightworker wants to get rid of all the fear energy that's in him in this paradoxical way. Equally, I guess a DW thinks that every last scrap of connection and compassion are holding him back...

[Plato]

I don't know, man.

Here's some thoughts I was having lately:

A darkworker is God unto himself. He isn't trying to be God. He knows he is. When you believe you're God it's an Intention, and reality begins to reflect that powerful intention. The emotions you experience are of total separation. I only noticed the loneliness when I doubted myself.

The process of that intention manifesting was painful to me, but then again, maybe I wasn't a great darkworker?

Either way I think the best image of a darkworker is Jove/Zeus from Homer.

[Brutha]

Why make all of these absurd ideas like hatred towards Jews and homosexuals? Because common sense ideas like the idea that everyone is equally worthy of love aren't unique enough to be built into a personal sense of self.

At the time those weren't absurd ideas.
Being homosexual was something that was illegal all around the world and it wasn't common sense to accept homosexuals as equally worthy.
The idea of blame jews was also nothing new that he made up.
He was just more focused on ideas than the average person.
Whether it was himself thinking that being a vegatarian is a virtue or whether it was about opposing people that went against traditional moral values.
The old testament includes stoning as the punishment that God intended for homosexuality.

Those ideas weren't absurd at all when you consider the zeitgeist of that time.
It doesn't make sense to analyze someone that lived in a different time by the values of the modern zeitgeist when you want to find out whether he's a darkworker or a lightworker.

[Andrew Gubb]

Brutha, I don't really analyse Hitler, it's just an intuition that he's a darkworker. I feel his aura as you will. That's all.

[spirit4711]

I'm still thinking of what the value is in making distinctions between light workers or dark workers? I usually judge people by the results the are creating for themselves and others. It doesn't support me much to think in LW or DW terms, so far.

What's the use of this distinction for others reading this thread?

[Brutha]

Brutha, I don't really analyse Hitler, it's just an intuition that he's a darkworker. I feel his aura as you will. That's all.

You never meet him and therefore there no room for good intuitive perception.

Having an intuitive perception and wanting to label other people as evil doesn't really help.

I'm still thinking of what the value is in making distinctions between light workers or dark workers? I usually judge people by the results the are creating for themselves and others.

It's not primarily about judging other people in the first place.

Additionally there also a lot of value of understand Hitler instead of an "accident of history" by the strength of the ideological argument that he made. It gives you perspective on how someone like him can come to power and why people support him.

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Brutha

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It's not primarily about judging other people in the first place.
...

Well, we disagree about this one, I guess. But it doesn't answer the question: what's the value for you to make a distinction between LW and DW?

[Brutha]

Well, we disagree about this one, I guess.

That might be one of the reasons why you find no value in the concept because you think that's about something different than it is.

what's the value for you to make a distinction between LW and DW?

It's a perspective. Perspectives allow you to gain clarity.

[Andrew Gubb]

You never meet him and therefore there no room for good intuitive perception.

I disagree on that.

Having an intuitive perception and wanting to label other people as evil doesn't really help.

Did I label him as evil?

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by Brutha

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It's a perspective. Perspectives allow you to gain clarity.

Somehow I have problems making clear what my question is . For you and for other readers in this thread: how, specifically, is making distinctions between LW and DW valuable FOR YOU? Not in general, but for you? What clarity did you get? What's the impact of that on your life (if any)?

I ask this because I don't see the value. It seems like an unnecessary concept to me. That doesn't mean there isn't any value, but I don't see it and I'm willing to learn from others.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

Somehow I have problems making clear what my question is . For you and for other readers in this thread: how, specifically, is making distinctions between LW and DW valuable FOR YOU? Not in general, but for you? What clarity did you get? What's the impact of that on your life (if any)?

I ask this because I don't see the value. It seems like an unnecessary concept to me. That doesn't mean there isn't any value, but I don't see it and I'm willing to learn from others.

Well, to see one of the things I got from it, may I refer you to my most recent blog post..http://www.totallyamoral.com/2009/05...rpose-in-life/

[Andrew Gubb]

^That was a cool article Plato, thanks.

Originally Posted by spirit

For you and for other readers in this thread: how, specifically, is making distinctions between LW and DW valuable FOR YOU?

Understanding the dynamic of light vs. dark has been hugely important to me. For instance, all the time when I was living in a generally dark environment, I wanted to escape life in any way possible. Life felt absolutely intolerable and only a sense that I had something to do here on earth (buried under layers of confusion, but tugging me on nonetheless) kept me from killing myself.

By later realising that I vibrated on a different plane to these people and seeking new company (once I had released the karmic ties with the old) that I started to feel OK with living. Having a spiritual family roots me to the physical world so to speak. It also helped me understand why I didn't want to spend all my time with those people. It's not for lack of love - not any more - but simply that I have different needs. They, too, are unlikely to get what they need from me. If you're looking to raise your vibration, you need to spend time with people who vibrate a bit more subtly than you but not too much or you won't understand them or even be able to recognise them.

So what does that say? That people vibrate in different ways; there is a sort of spectrum, with two poles and a gradiation between them. The twist is that the real levels of power and motivation come from being at one end of the spectrum and not dallying about in the centre. We're always in flux, okay. We have impulses that are both dark and light. So to stay in the middle, you need to take one step towards the dark, then one step towards the light, so you cancel out your efforts - there is no way of not taking a step; your energy is going into the world in every moment and there is no way of stopping that. "Greyworkers" are weak because in effect they are constantly working against themselves to be able to stay in this "safe" area. If you choose a direction, though, you'll start being able to create something.

[ballhit2]

You darkworkers are an absolute joke and disgrace. Basically you stumbled upon this website and became so engrossed with Pavlina that your identities were shaken and rattled to the core.

Becoming skilled at lying, cheating, and stealing, whether it's vampiric energy absorption or literally swiping things and opportunities from those in your way, ONLY gives you a sense of Power-Over rather than Power-With. That's a position of laughable weakness.

By even coming to a website like Pavlina, you are a greyworker. There is so much love and light here that no true Darkworker would waste their time convincing others if they were not truly trying to convince themselves.

Please stay away from anyone I will ever meet in my life. That shouldn't be too hard if you're always on this message board rationalizing your reptilian-brain selfishness manifesto.

Love
A Greyworker, trying to fully emerge as a lightworker.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by ballhit2

You darkworkers are an absolute joke and disgrace ------> A Greyworker, trying to fully emerge as a lightworker.

A word to the wise: Stop trying to be a lightworker, and be one. How does a lightworker treat people?

[Brutha]

Did I label him as evil?

I didn't said that you do.
Our brains intuitive processes are evolved to judge other people as evil. If we don't consciously take over the reasoning that's how we come to our conclusions.

A word to the wise: Stop trying to be a lightworker, and be one. How does a lightworker treat people?

Good point.

[ballhit2]

Originally Posted by Plato

A word to the wise: Stop trying to be a lightworker, and be one. How does a lightworker treat people?

Simply "being one" isn't enough for me. We are all "Beings of Light" anyway. This holds true no matter how animalistic, materialistic, and Randian the Darkworkers would promote that we are.

I said "trying to fully emerge" because consistent lightworking requires consistent action. Trying is that action. Trying is the act of polarization.

Anyway, it's all B.S. regardless.




(belief systems)

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by ballhit2

Simply "being one" isn't enough for me. We are all "Beings of Light" anyway. This holds true no matter how animalistic, materialistic, and Randian the Darkworkers would promote that we are.

I said "trying to fully emerge" because consistent lightworking requires consistent action. Trying is that action. Trying is the act of polarization.

Anyway, it's all B.S. regardless.




(belief systems)

Oh come on. I may be mistaken in your intent here, and this is why I'm asking, but your posts in the thread, is that your version of telling people off?

I hope not. Toddlers can muster more moxy than that. :-)

Obviously, you're not even polarized -- a polarized person would take responsibility for attracting these forums, this thread, and these people to theirself.

They would be asking "why have I done this?" and "what is my purpose in creating this?", not "wah wah, you suck, you bad people, stay away".

They would do this inherently.

In my ever so humble opinion, Greyworking is for people who (while yes, I would describe it as weakness, as a value judgement, not an insult) want so very badly to be special but lack the will to ante up and actually wake up. In other words, you wanna be one of the dancers at the big bash, but don't want to put the work in on the practice floor. Not a whole lot that's respect worthy in that.

And that's fine by me, happens to fit my self-interest -- I rule the sleepers, yeah, DW, its my job, but the indecisive, I eat for dessert. Its my perk.

Mmmmmm. Tasty non-comittal "greyworker". Mmmmmmm.

[Asmoday]

Allthough, on the Hitler thing -- I've always been of the opinion that he was a Lightworker gone Supernova (what Steve calls Lightworker Syndrome, with a bit of a crazy, downward spiral).

The only reason I say this is because, he lived very frugally, and in his mind (yeah, messed up, I know) -- he really was giving all and sacrificing all for his beloved Germany.

I think he was a Lightworker gone really, really wrong. The Darkworker version of this is seen in the movie, "The Last King of Scotland". Great movie, and played really well if you haven't seen it.

My main point is -- Hitler killed himself. Even under Dark Fusion (Darkworker syndrome gone really, really wrong), DW just don't do that. Its inherently infathomable.

On the outside, you can't really tell them (Dark Fusion and Supernova) apart at the upper levels, so you have to let their actions point the way.

Now some will say, well, a LW would never mass-kill like that, wars and all that. Actually, they will. You mean to tell me Steve wouldn't cap an alien or two if they went all Independence Day on us? Sure he would. But what if the concept of "liberating" gets closed off, and one starts to step back from one-ness into separateness and continue that LW mission, but now start to include any means? Its Lightworking become twisted, finaticism is always Lightworking gone twisted.

Give it some thought, LWs, before you reject it. I think its important.

But yeah, again: Suicide for some larger purpose is a total Lightworker thing.

Martyrdom just ain't in the DW dictionary, even when its gone all clockwork orange.

What do you guys think?

[ballhit2]

Your responses in the last two posts summarized, roughly corresponding to the order of your sentences:


*Your disagreement with me is worse than a toddler could do
*Polarization is better than non-polarization and since you argue like a toddler (your usage of "Obviously") you are not polarized
*Greyworking is for *******/saggy foreskins
*I rule idiots like you
*Hitler was one of the purest and strongest souls to exist
*Since Hitler killed himself, he was not a darkworker, because a Darkworker would never stoop to such a low-vibrational act
*Steve Pavlina would kill an alien if he had to
*Self-sacrificing heroes aren't like darkworkers.


You my friend, desperately, need, Vitamin D.

[Andrew Gubb]

Interesting stuff Asmoday, you've given me a lot to think about.

[Andrew Gubb]

My main point is -- Hitler killed himself. Even under Dark Fusion (Darkworker syndrome gone really, really wrong), DW just don't do that. Its inherently infathomable.

I thought about that now... I dunno but I think that it's not so infathomable if Hitler saw his life as forfeit already... perhaps killing himself rather than being killed would have been better for his ego.

I think we define LW and DW in two different ways sometimes:

1. The path of service to self/others

2. The path of ever increasing dark/light energy

Number 1 involves our primary motivation in life, the reason we get out of bed at all. Greyworkers have no motivation because they haven't chosen between these two conflicting paths and are trying to walk in to directions at once.

Number 2 involves our reaction to fear: do we use courage and dissolve the fear by focusing on what we really want despite it; or do we attempt to harness fear and use it to our ends?

Now if someone decided to serve himself truly he'd soon realise we're part of a larger whole and that love energy may be the best thing that ever happened to him. So that way dissolves quickly into LW if you really go all the way. I think a good example is Richard Rose who decided one day that how was he going to know what would happen when he died if he didn't know what his self was? So he set about serving himself by trying to find this out... and found out that he was one with all that exists.

On the other hand path 2. is an intentional running away from this realisation. You want to serve your sense of self without questioning if it is real or not. This ends up increasing fear energy and making your life and others a living hell.

Now we get our motivation to help others from our light energy and we get our motivation to help our sense of self from our dark energy. But at any time you can choose which direction you evolve. It's like this Zen story I heard. We all have two plants: an evil plant and a good plant. If we water one it'll grow. If we leave the other it'll die.

So in any moment you choose which plant to water. Your choice is your path in regards to polarity.

You can say someone is fully polarised when their life is congruent with a certain path and energy enough that they can be seen to move in one direction. If you're not going anywhere, you're still working against yourself.

[Dreamline]

This is a very interesting thread. It's my first deep consideration of light vs dark workers. But much of this seems so contrived to the point of being "made up." No offense. I'm still learning so forgive my ignorant questions.

I just see so many examples of people in the world that have grand aspirations for self-centered success but don't forget where they came from, don't ignore the little guy, don't try to live in a world of 6 billion as if they are an island, are massively successful and yet give back with sincerity. I guess the symbol for them would be:



Which seems much more congruent with ALL of how the world and entire universe functions. Everyone has dark and light, good and bad, giving and taking aspects. Duality cannot be ignored in a world where duality is king. You can force it, obviously. Maybe that's what this is really all about. Forcing for the sake of some kind of gratification. Like making hyacinths bloom out of season. Unnatural on many levels. But gratification often comes from being neither all light or all dark as well. Why would certain people feel the need to go to an extreme for gratification? Are they missing something the rest of us get?

I know many lightworkers and they are certainly not shielded from self-centered desires. They dress well, they gain internally from their helping of others, they seek the best partners in business and in love, they desire that their children are well-educated and sucessful, they enjoy nice cars and the trappings of their success. They are both light and dark by these definitions.

I don't personally know many darkworkers. Not out of bias but they don't seem to enter my sphere. Or they are rare. Not sure. Perhaps they aren't naturally social.

So my big fat question is: Are you darkies just avoiding facing some really hard facts? Like maybe you think you need to be a loner, extremely focused on yourself, because you are anti-social and don't know how to fix it? Is this a shield from an emotional defect that seems too overwhelming to cure? Can darkworkers know true happiness and joy?



Jennifer