Quiting being an employee of the state

[jnms]

We are all 'Employees' regardless of whether or not you work.

This was shocking information to me; if you have a Social Security Number or a National Insurance Number, then this is your contract with the State. All documents issued to you with this number have your name all in CAPITAL LETTERS. This name all in CAPS is the 'corporation' that you represent.

When you are issued with a Birth Certificate this is the signing of the Contract with the State. Prior to having the Birth Certificate you are legally classed as a Human Being, after being issued a Birth Certificate you are legally classed as a 'Person'...and thus enter into a Contract with the State. When you are issued a Social Security Number or a National Insurance number - you then become an Employee of the State.

Scary stuff that very few people know...

[bluedragon]

Interesting. Can you quit your job as a citizen of the state?

[jnms]

Yes, you can quit your job as a State Employee - you then become what is know as a 'Freeman-on-the-Land'. If you do this you give up your Social Security / National Insurance Number and all 'benefits' that go along with it.

However what you gain is pretty impressive. You can no longer be held accountable to any Legal Legislation. i.e. you cannot be prosecuted under any Legislative Acts that have the Force of Law. Because they are not Law but rather state legislation that have the power of law. If you are not a State Employee then no state legislation can govern you.

You are still accountable for any crime such as murder, theft, vandalism though.

Other benefits of giving up your State Employment:

• You don't have to pay any Tax
• You do not need any driving license or insurence
• You do not need a passport
• You do not have to obey Court Summons
• You can legally smoke 'weed'
• You can legally own a Firearm in the UK
• You can discharge certain debts against your Government Bond

[Brutha]

However what you gain is pretty impressive. You can no longer be held accountable to any Legal Legislation. i.e. you cannot be prosecuted under any Legislative Acts that have the Force of Law. Because they are not Law but rather state legislation that have the power of law. If you are not a State Employee then no state legislation can govern you.

That is mostly a theoretical argument that won't help you when you actually come into contact with the police who will still imprison you.

Governments even imprison people as illegal immigrants when they aren't citizens and have no other legal claim like a VISA that allows them to be in the country and habeas corpus doesn't help you a bit if you can't be deported to any home country because you haven't any.

[jnms]

Originally Posted by Brutha

That is mostly a theoretical argument that won't help you when you actually come into contact with the police who will still imprison you.

Governments even imprison people as illegal immigrants when they aren't citizens and have no other legal claim like a VISA that allows them to be in the country and habeas corpus doesn't help you a bit if you can't be deported to any home country because you haven't any.

No one said it was easy Brutha. I know people who have gone through the process of dissociating themselves from their SSN / NI. And they have all the 'benefits' that I listed above. They are 'Freemen'.

But if someone wants to go through this process, then they need to be VERY well versed in the Law. They need to be prepared to carry it through to the end. If not they will get hung out to dry just as you stated. The few individuals I personally know who have gone through this process, have done it successfully. Sure they got arrested, they got their home taken away too. But they were well versed in the Law and so got released and got everything back.

If you don't know what you are doing, or are an 'immigrant' then yes, it is a very silly thing to do.

[Brutha]

I moved the above part from the Employee is the modern name of Slave thread here, because it was becoming off topic.

But if someone wants to go through this process, then they need to be VERY well versed in the Law.

In the end there is no magical thing called "the Law", there's only law that get interpreted by courts and if the judges don't share your interpretation of the law that you have lost.

It might be that something like that is possible in the UK and there are laws from the middle ages that are left over that allows you to claim something like that and that you can use to convince a judge in a court.
It could have something to do with the UK having no constitution the way that most western states have.

On the other hand I'm pretty sure that most newer states don't consider being freeman of the law it's own category.

What is in your opinion the first step of the process of dissociating themselves from their SSN / NI?
What are the laws that you would point to to convince the government burocrats?