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Aleksander Krstic · 02-17-2009, 01:00 PM

I've just read in a book about pranayahma joga that this might happen if I do a certain exercise incorrectly.

So my question is that is it a fear like Steve usually says and I should overcome it or should I stop using those exercises?

Please don't post ZOMG ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?! because I'm already 90% into not doing it. I'm just wondering if this is a fear pointing into direction of where growth lies

therisingsun09 · 02-17-2009, 01:50 PM

What's the exercise

Aleksander Krstic · 02-17-2009, 01:52 PM

Something about breathing, I would write it here but I'm not risking someone on the other side getting hurt because of it. Sorry.

therisingsun09 · 02-18-2009, 03:11 AM

OK... does the exercise appear dangerous to you as it is written? How advanced are you in yoga? What's your reason for doing this?

You might consider Book 4 part 1 by Aleister Crowley or Eight Lectures on Yoga by same person

Aleksander Krstic · 02-18-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by therisingsun09

OK... does the exercise appear dangerous to you as it is written? How advanced are you in yoga? What's your reason for doing this?

You might consider Book 4 part 1 by Aleister Crowley or Eight Lectures on Yoga by same person

No not really. Also I'm not advanced in yoga. Third, my reason for doing this is developing mental concentration and visualization.

magi13 · 02-18-2009, 09:49 AM

@,@ if it's just about mental concentration and visualization try making a memory palace. it helps you concentrate and visualize at the same time.

here are helpful links with simple exercises.

How to Develop Your Visualization Skill

How to build a memory palace - SuperStruct Instructables Series

^,^

MartialDev · 02-18-2009, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aleksander Krstic

I've just read in a book about pranayahma joga that this might happen if I do a certain exercise incorrectly.

So my question is that is it a fear like Steve usually says and I should overcome it or should I stop using those exercises?

Please don't post ZOMG ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?! because I'm already 90% into not doing it. I'm just wondering if this is a fear pointing into direction of where growth lies

It is all too easy to claim that fears are just "limiting beliefs", but this is the ultimate form of survivor bias. Some fears are in fact justified, and will keep you from harm.

If this exercise isn't important enough to learn from a qualified teacher, maybe it isn't important enough to learn at all? ZOMG.

therisingsun09 · 02-19-2009, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aleksander Krstic

No not really. Also I'm not advanced in yoga. Third, my reason for doing this is developing mental concentration and visualization.

In what way is it dangerous? The yoga described in Book 4 might be of more use to you. In my experience trying to take a giant leap into exercises like this won't bring you any reward, you can't just skip ahead to advanced exercises like with any other subject

Aleksander Krstic · 02-20-2009, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by therisingsun09

In what way is it dangerous? The yoga described in Book 4 might be of more use to you. In my experience trying to take a giant leap into exercises like this won't bring you any reward, you can't just skip ahead to advanced exercises like with any other subject

It's dangerous in a way that it can destroy the ENTIRE nerval system.

Also, I'm not skipping any exercises. I'm doing as I'm told by the author:easy exercise first, then make progress.

therisingsun09 · 02-21-2009, 01:37 PM

Is this a kundalini thing? If the exercise doesn't appear dangerous to you why do you believe it can destroy your nervous system? And surely destruction of the nervous system implies death?

Aleksander Krstic · 02-21-2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by therisingsun09

Is this a kundalini thing? If the exercise doesn't appear dangerous to you why do you believe it can destroy your nervous system? And surely destruction of the nervous system implies death?

No, it's not kundalini. How do I think it's dangerous? Just like cocaine is nothing else but powder, but that doesn't mean it isn't dangerous to one's health.

therisingsun09 · 02-22-2009, 04:43 AM

I don't follow....

Aleksander Krstic · 02-22-2009, 08:15 AM

Are you bad at English?

All I'm saying is that just because something doesn't look harmful, it doesn't mean it isn't.

ruchirkc · 02-22-2009, 11:23 AM

You're talking about this, right? (Pranayama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

I haven't heard anyone's nervous system getting destroyed as a result of doing it wrong...

JSB · 02-24-2009, 02:18 AM

From the same wiki cited above:

"Many yoga teachers recommend that pranayama techniques be practiced with care, and that advanced pranayama techniques should be practiced under the guidance of a teacher. These cautions are also made in traditional Hindu literature."

runningbird · 02-24-2009, 05:23 AM

I've always wondered about this. There's these warnings all over the place but the only dangerous experience I actually have proof of is rising kundalini, as in Gopi Krishna's account.

Anyway, why does the book say "destroy one's entire nervous system" rather than death? They are one in the same.

schola · 02-24-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Aleksander Krstic

Are you bad at English?

All I'm saying is that just because something doesn't look harmful, it doesn't mean it isn't.

If you're not going to explain what the hell you're talking about, how do you expect anyone to give you informed advice?

therisingsun09 · 02-24-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by schola

If you're not going to explain what the hell you're talking about, how do you expect anyone to give you informed advice?

QFT

Eric Roosevelt · 02-25-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MartialDev

It is all too easy to claim that fears are just "limiting beliefs", but this is the ultimate form of survivor bias. Some fears are in fact justified, and will keep you from harm.

Yeah, fear is way underrated.

Subscreet · 02-26-2009, 07:35 AM

Yes, Aleksander, this exercise will destroy your entire nervous system the moment you attempt it. Only the most highly trained monks in the most remote temples in Asia are able to perform it without injury. And you are right not to share such an esoteric passage in "Pranayahma Yoga For Dummies," for the denizens of this forum are weak of mind and know not what is best for them.

You may be asking yourself: "How could a breathing exercise destroy my ****ing nervous system? How could meditation possibly make me a vegetable?" That's a good question and I'm glad you brought it up. You see what happens is

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02-17-2009, 01:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
therisingsun09 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 43	What's the exercise

02-17-2009, 01:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
Aleksander Krstic Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Slovenia, south central Europe Posts: 830	Something about breathing, I would write it here but I'm not risking someone on the other side getting hurt because of it. Sorry.

02-18-2009, 03:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
therisingsun09 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 43	OK... does the exercise appear dangerous to you as it is written? How advanced are you in yoga? What's your reason for doing this? You might consider Book 4 part 1 by Aleister Crowley or Eight Lectures on Yoga by same person

02-18-2009, 09:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
magi13 Family Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,421	@,@ if it's just about mental concentration and visualization try making a memory palace. it helps you concentrate and visualize at the same time. here are helpful links with simple exercises. How to Develop Your Visualization Skill How to build a memory palace - SuperStruct Instructables Series ^,^

02-21-2009, 01:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
therisingsun09 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 43	Is this a kundalini thing? If the exercise doesn't appear dangerous to you why do you believe it can destroy your nervous system? And surely destruction of the nervous system implies death?

02-22-2009, 04:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
therisingsun09 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 43	I don't follow....

02-22-2009, 08:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
Aleksander Krstic Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Slovenia, south central Europe Posts: 830	Are you bad at English? All I'm saying is that just because something doesn't look harmful, it doesn't mean it isn't.

02-22-2009, 11:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
ruchirkc Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 152	You're talking about this, right? (Pranayama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) I haven't heard anyone's nervous system getting destroyed as a result of doing it wrong...

02-24-2009, 02:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
JSB Family Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,133	From the same wiki cited above: "Many yoga teachers recommend that pranayama techniques be practiced with care, and that advanced pranayama techniques should be practiced under the guidance of a teacher. These cautions are also made in traditional Hindu literature."

02-24-2009, 05:23 AM	#16 (permalink)
runningbird Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 614	I've always wondered about this. There's these warnings all over the place but the only dangerous experience I actually have proof of is rising kundalini, as in Gopi Krishna's account. Anyway, why does the book say "destroy one's entire nervous system" rather than death? They are one in the same.

02-26-2009, 07:35 AM	#20 (permalink)
Subscreet Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 116	Yes, Aleksander, this exercise will destroy your entire nervous system the moment you attempt it. Only the most highly trained monks in the most remote temples in Asia are able to perform it without injury. And you are right not to share such an esoteric passage in "Pranayahma Yoga For Dummies," for the denizens of this forum are weak of mind and know not what is best for them. You may be asking yourself: "How could a breathing exercise destroy my ****ing nervous system? How could meditation possibly make me a vegetable?" That's a good question and I'm glad you brought it up. You see what happens is

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