What's a darkworker afraid of?

[vMike]

Darkworker is driven by fear according to Steve.

Fear of what exactly? Please share what you think

[bluedragon]

Funny, I was just now thinking the same thing: aren't darkworkers afraid that something might happen to them, for all the egoistic things they do?
If I wanted to be a darkworker, I would be afraid of suffering, I would see those around me suffer, or those to whom I would cause suffering, and I would fear that one day the tide might turn and I could suffer the same fate as them.

[Xanafax]

They fear that overall feeling of doom that one cannot ever escape no matter what one does.

[Sam988]

The thing they most fear is the state of helplessness. They try to control and shape the environment to their wishes so that they are less vulnerable to possible external threats.

[Smiley]

I dislike "fear" as a concept. I see fear as a product, rather than a source. Every fear has a sponsoring belief (or set of beliefs), and I believe that discussions in that realm are immeasurably more valuable. To answer that question, ("If a Darkworker is fearful, what must they believe?"), my answer would be, they believe that they are unworthy.

[Eric Revelin]

I should think it doesn't necessarily have to be fear of something. It can be, of course. But fear is as much a method as it is a drive.

Remember that individuals can use the same force in vastly different ways. I, for instance, use fear to conquer it. In being fearless I become unstoppable. By invoking fear in others they can learn how to do the same. (There's little point in invoking it otherwise. Respect is much easier to use than fear unless you're dealing with an aggressor.) It is a manifestation of my own glory to take something which would dominate me and hone it into a tool for my advancement.

To use fear as a motive, one has to fear powerlessness more than anything. Your aim is to be on top and in control 100% of the time. Rather, since that's impossible, the aim is to use what you can control to influence what you can't. It's the art of making your own luck. In the context Steve used it, it's the art of making your own luck without regard for others. The only thing that matters is your security. It's a very short-sighted view overall. To be on top and in control is one thing. To want it solely because you're afraid of what will happen if you're not is idiocy. A mind that's clouded by fear is powerless.

It seems like Steve used fear in more abstract terms than many are used to and that's where the confusion comes in. Of course, he used love in abstract terms, too. This isn't about good vs. evil, or warm-fuzzies vs. nervous trembling. This is about where your focus lies and how you use it to advance.

A lightworker would rather journey through heaven, guided by angels and spirits along a path of service to humanity. (I know they don't have to believe in that stuff. It's a generalization and a metaphor.) A darkworker plunges alone into the pits of hell, not to be consumed by demons or to make a deal with the devil, but to conquer every inch and in turn become unconquerable. So in a roundabout way, there's my answer: a darkworker's fear is defined by conquering vs. being conquered. Sometimes he'll conquer those around him to gain an edge, sometimes it refers to the inner realm where he strives to rid himself of weakness. It depends on the person.

For contrast, a lightworker pays no mind to conquering weakness. It's true that he aims for the same thing in essence; he needs strength as much as anybody else does. However, he's not concerned about being exploited. He draws his strength from the whole, from what he gives, rather than relying entirely on himself.

Neither concept is well understood by adopting the traditional definition of light and dark, or love and fear.

[vMike]

Good explanation Eric, so basically you could say that all (or most) of the rich and powerful are darkworkers?

[jokerman]

Luke Skywalker

[CroMagna]

They fear losing.

[Plato]

It depends on the individual.

Fear and power reinforce each other. One way to polarize is to gain some power and become attached to it. When competitors emerge you'll feel fear of losing it and you'll be motivated to gain more power. Another way to begin would be to suffer in some way and be really upset on your own behalf.

That's just the beginning of a cycle though. The more powerful you become the more you'll be attacked and the more you'll feel the need to grow.

If you want to polarize as a darkworker you need to begin finding ways to grow your own power. Once you start getting resistance from others you'll feel pressured to grow more powerful. Then it will build momentum. It takes serious conscious effort to get the cycle started though. It's unlikely to happen by accident.

Basically get out and break some eggs to get the ball rolling. If you want to.

[lifeforce]

Originally Posted by vMike

Darkworker is driven by fear according to Steve.

Fear of what exactly? Please share what you think

Lets take a common fear. Like fear of rejection. Thats one fear that limits people to an extreme degree and stops us dead in our tracks. Your fear of rejection is really the rejection of your power and control over your own life. There is nothing wrong with you. Your body is behaving very properly. Faced with an important challenge, it generates enough nervous energy to cope with what has to be done.

The key is not eliminating your fear, but harnessing that nervous energy and making it work for you, rather than against you. With information, a little help and experience, you can learn to harness your nervous energy, and like a track horse “run" long after “ordinary people" would be exhausted.

[Andrew Gubb]

Sometimes it's expressed as "fear of death".

When someone chooses not to fully experience something, out of a belief that he can control it through not acknowledging it, then the thing remains in the mind and is continually being pushed away: "no, no, you don't exist". This is the basic error. Because of fear, the mind turns away from the reality. Because the attention is not in reality, the fear can grow. If the fear grows enough, it becomes a downward spiral which is very difficult to get out of.

Fear energy is powerful. It can be harnessed. Just like jumping off a cliff is quite a good way of getting rid of an itch. Still, when some guys are too wrapped up in fear, they don't really see that they have any choice -- they think that they are the ego, a mental fortress designed to combat a fear that also exists only in the head. It's not easy to halt that energy, but boy, is it worth it.

[bugmenot]

Just wondering, don't you pretty much have to be fearless to be evil?
Who ever heard of a fraidy cat evil? I thought the whole point of being evil was to make everyone else afraid.
I mean if your shaking in your stylish but affordable boots. Are you not too busy sucking up to whom or what ever you are afraid of to be evil?

[Marth]

Those type of people abuse & manipulate other people's fear to promote their own growth.

[Cran]

Originally Posted by bugmenot

Just wondering, don't you pretty much have to be fearless to be evil?

Perhaps you should ask this in a seperate topic, as darkworking doesn't deal with being evil.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by bugmenot

Just wondering, don't you pretty much have to be fearless to be evil?
Who ever heard of a fraidy cat evil? I thought the whole point of being evil was to make everyone else afraid.
I mean if your shaking in your stylish but affordable boots. Are you not too busy sucking up to whom or what ever you are afraid of to be evil?

They use the time-worn technique of covering up your fear with aggression.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by vMike

Darkworker is driven by fear, according to Steve.

Fear of what exactly? Please share what you think

Helplessness?, hopelessness?, depression?, doom? anxiety? who knows
but - why mess with any of that hell, or even ask about it?
----------------------------------------
I know, I rather live... and enjoy... my Little-light shining...

And what about you?
.

[vMike]

sk8joyful, did you just dig up all my threads and replied to them?

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

And what about you?

I think most people misunderstand the concepts as Steve chose inappropriate names for them and most lightworkers are merely deluding themselves since they choose to help others just because it makes them feel good about themselves, which ultimately is closer to the darkworker's path. Both concepts are quite ambiguous and ultimately one should just find a path that inspires him in life and makes him happy and stick to it, regardless of how others call it.

[pyrogen]

Originally Posted by vMike

I think most people misunderstand the concepts as Steve chose inappropriate names for them and most lightworkers are merely deluding themselves since they choose to help others just because it makes them feel good about themselves, which ultimately is closer to the darkworker's path.

THANK YOU.

I think I'm a darkworker. But my take on darkwork is very different from "turning to the dark side, muahahahah!" or evil or power over others or what have you.

1. Working for myself takes nothing from anyone if there is no scarcity.
2. IMHO more real evil has been done by attempts to save the world. Selfish people's "blast radius" isn't anywhere near as far reaching as a misguided lightworker's zone of destruction is. To avoid invoking Godwin's Law, I won't give specific examples.

I think darkwork is actually much closer, in theory and application, to the Left Hand Path.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by vMike

sk8joyful,
did you just dig up all my threads and replied to them?

yeah,
I wanted to know (besides dark) what else you were into

Originally Posted by vMike

I think most people misunderstand the concepts.
as Steve chose inappropriate names for them

What are your positive suggestions, for how Steve could improve?

Originally Posted by vMike

most lightworkers are merely deluding themselves

since they choose to help others, just because it makes them feel good about themselves, which ultimately is closer to the darkworker's path.

GOD feels Good, helping us, so is He (in your opinion) on the "dark-worker's path"??

Originally Posted by vMike

ultimately one should just find a path, that inspires him in life & makes him happy & stick to it.

hm, only one-path? - so why did God give us choices?

[vMike]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

yeah,
I wanted to know (besides dark) what else you were into

Welcome to my fan club

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

What are your positive suggestions, for how Steve could improve?

GOD feels Good, helping us, so is He (in your opinion) on the "dark-worker's path"??

hm, only one-path? - so why did God give us choices?

I'm not really into defining this stuff, some suggested innerworkers would be a better term though. Darkworkers.com is a decent resource also, I tend to agree with most of the views there.

I can say I've been researching the topic for a few weeks now, merely from a personal point of view. Read a lot of related material and did some experiments and haven't quite figured how to use the "darkworker energy" yet. One thing this does is helps you acquire more clarity in your goals and views. As for now I only see all this darkworker/lightworker stuff as a tool to help define your own system of values.

I'm not sure where to go further with the darkworker ideas and polarization, so I just use the other more practical advices Steve has on his blog and articles.


God gave us choices because otherwise everything would be predetermined and boring and He'd have no fun watching us.


Seriously who cares. The point is this is your life, you have the choice and you can be anyone you want, so take responsibility for your life and decide your path, make your dreams come true.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by vMike

Welcome to my fan club

The point is this is your life, you have the choice
and you can be anyone you want,
so take responsibility for your life and decide your path, make your dreams come true.

Funny thing! this is just what I've been doing! with
some dreams having come true, & now 3 more are progressing!
plus - I help other people, make their dreams come true as well What about you?

[Dan.Linehan]

To answer the original question: Being powerless.

Sam nailed it.