How Darkwork has helped the world

[Plato]

Originally Posted by missing

But we've gone so far that we're the predators and now we're all concerned about, um, nature? Ironic, isn't it.

Think about this: we are not damaging the environment. Why? Because there is no particular way nature is supposed to be. Sure we are changing it, but we are only damaging it from our own perspective.

With increasing technology we have not become predators. Rather our activities have a greater influence upon the world than they used to.

Power does not equate to predation, though most people on this forum seem to think it does.

[missing]

Originally Posted by Plato

Think about this: we are not damaging the environment. Why? Because there is no particular way nature is supposed to be. Sure we are changing it, but we are only damaging it from our own perspective.

With increasing technology we have not become predators. Rather our activities have a greater influence upon the world than they used to.

Power does not equate to predation, though most people on this forum seem to think it does.

you are nit-picking over semantics here. It doesn't matter if you call humans "predators" or "influencers". If they pollute the air and water so that life (including humans) can't easily sustain itself on planet earth, we're all going to be in a lot of pain. Increasing technology gives us more tools to "influence" the earth rather then let the earth take care of itself. Which way are we better off? Are you a bigger believer in human wisdom? Or nature's wisdom? Because that's what it really comes down to.

(and I know that "humans" and "nature" are technically one in the same, but for this topic to be worth pursuing one will have to acknowledge how they are separate).

[Andrew Gubb]

bring on the techno-utopia

Hahaha, I'm not one of those. All I'm saying is that as soon as people give up their darkness, we won't have these kind of problems. The world is exactly as the sum total of people want it to be, at their deepest level.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by Plato

Think about this: we are not damaging the environment. Why? Because there is no particular way nature is supposed to be.

Well from one perspective. But shaping it in the form of our egoes makes it rather ugly and painful to live in IMO. God does prettier work.

Power does not equate to predation, though most people on this forum seem to think it does.

Darkworkers give it bad rep

[Plato]

Originally Posted by missing

If they pollute the air and water so that life (including humans) can't easily sustain itself on planet earth.

Pollution is a point of view!

Life began in a world where there was no oxygen in the atmosphere at all.

What makes humans or any of the current animals so special? If we change the atmosphere and destroy ourselves it won't destroy life on earth. 99.9999% of life on Earth is single celled organisms... Prokaryotes. Not all of them will be destroyed. Evolution can begin again and who knows what wonderful creatures might come into existence.

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Darkworkers give it bad rep

Hahaha!

Actually though, I'm not sure that's a given.

Nietzsche argued that the "bad rep of power" is actually caused by people who perceive themselves as victims. People need a reason for their suffering and what better word for the cause than "evil".

Throughout history it's either been evil men, or as a last resort evil spirits who cause suffering. The weak have always felt the need to label the powerful evil.

It's irrational though... people do what people do. It is what it is, you know? If you don't like it, calling it evil might make you feel morally superior but it won't change it.

Just a thought to consider. Obviously Nietzsche is not to be taken as truth, or anybody else, but it's an interesting perspective.

[missing]

Originally Posted by Plato

Pollution is a point of view!

Life began in a world where there was no oxygen in the atmosphere at all.

What makes humans or any of the current animals so special? If we change the atmosphere and destroy ourselves it won't destroy life on earth. 99.9999% of life on Earth is single celled organisms... Prokaryotes. Not all of them will be destroyed. Evolution can begin again and who knows what wonderful creatures might come into existence.

nothing is special about humans and their is nothing inherently bad about pollution. However, choking to death on bad air, probably really sucks. I don't know, maybe it's wonderful, but that's not a gamble I'm all that interested in taking. So really, most environmentalism seems to me about self interest. If not to save us from misery, than to save the next generation that gets stuck with our mess. Unless of course you have no empathy and don't care about what happens to the next generation. In which case you should at least care about yourself.

Who said they never met a philosopher that could patiently endure a toothache?

In all honesty if we do manage to wipe ourselves out, I think it would be too bad if evolution started again and we took the chance of this human mess happening again. It'd be like re-incarnating... as the same damn thing! Didn't we burn off any karma with all our suffering?!?!?

[Plato]

Originally Posted by missing

Didn't we burn off any karma with all our suffering?!?!?

You're right dude... nature is cruel. And I don't think it's a good thing like the Christians would have us believe ("greater good" arguments and all that jazz).

A technical eutopia is the only way to save ourselves from certain death and unpredictable degrees of suffering. Sure life might be worth living for us in our present state but it could be so much better.

[Plato]

In regards to the question of the thread, if you answer it from a personal development perspective you could say that darkworking forces people to grow one way or another.

Take WWII for example. Terrible wasn't it? Yet it forced millions of people to take responsibility for the world and take action.

Originally Posted by Asmoday

I am acting in my own self-interest.

If you polarize with fear energy you'll find your idea of what constitutes self interest will be very different to your current idea.

You seem to have missed the fundamental point of the whole polarity idea.

It helps to remember this is all about LOA fundamentally. When you intend things for yourself (that really excite you) you will generate fear energy. Not the emotion fear, the energy. Being able to generate this fear energy is a skill. It takes practice and experience to use it effectively.

Everyone who doesn't *get it* should read the original two articles on the topic. They are the best explanations. Polarity and Polarization.

[supertom]

its kind of hard to know whos a darkworker, alan sugar in the UK fits the bill nicely, he rules by fear they say. than you can go to someone like henry ford who created the working class "energy salves" the ford company has put profits ahead of people's safety.

[pyrogen]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

I am a Darkworker. I have been a Darkworker since before Darkworking was even a word in common self-help vocabulary.

Asmoday,

Recently coming to the idea that my polarity, if I had to choose, would be darkwork.

Some of my philosophy: if indeed there is lightwork vs darkwork, darkwork is not about control of the world. It is as much a path to enlightenment. Both reach the same conclusion by different means.

I was a guilt-ridden lightworker wannabe. I was a Buddhist wannabe for years, and found nothing in it for me. I couldn't wrap my mind around the Bodhisattva Vow which IMHO is a vow of polarity. My fears became worse. I lost more control of my life. Turning to the light meant my darkness was chased further underground to control me more. I made myself and everyone else around me completely miserable.

I am a self-centered, narcissistic person who longs to be the center of attention. I admit that now. I did more harm to others by not admitting my faults.

I am motivated by fear, among other things. But I choose not to live my life in fear. I cannot master myself without going THROUGH my fear. A million prayers to a million gods will not take my fear away.

I have found a way to deal with my passions by going through them and experiencing them. This gives them less control over me. And I can use this energy to accomplish things.

It is limiting to use "darkwork" vs "lightwork" as terminology because it implies a Western bias of good vs evil, dark vs light. IMO what we are describing in "darkwork" - is simply Left Hand Path.