Respect and Masculine Energy

[Andrew Gubb]

This is one of the biggest hangups I'm working on right now. That is, both self-respect, and respect for others; the two seem to be so intertwined that I shouldn't distinguish them. Just call it global respect.

This might be the same as what you call masculine energy, I guess. This is part of the reason I was attracted to seduction literature like the Book of Pook.

I don't think, though, that it's a lack of testosterone. If I had no testosterone, well, I'd probably be asexual, and who cares? If I'm that, I'm that. But the problem I believe is my relationship with that testosterone. The fact that I have masses of it just makes me a pretty tortured soul at times.

My father was a very poor role model. A bit of a hippy bastard, he had dumb feminist ideas and showed apparent distaste towards all authority while still having a job in which he had a boss (he is ****ed up. I'm better than him. I let him rub off on me remarkably little for the fact that he's my father but it does kinda grate that one of the most important figures in my life had absolutely no idea what it meant to be a human being, and couldn't look after his own wellbeing, let alone that of a child).

Not that either feminism or distaste towards authority are bad in themselves. But they're not ultimate truths. To think that NO authority is acceptable, that authority is incompatible with kindness, is nuts. To take this the whole way, it'd be anarchy, which might perhaps solve some problems but doesn't propose what we use to fill the need for leaders.

T' be sure, I've gained a lot from going against the grain, and from a reasonable and not reactionary standpoint, I do believe that we have a serious problem with false, vampiric leaders, in school, politics and medicine, particularly. But in fact, having a reaction pattern against authority hindered rather than helped me with coping with these. In it is the unconscious identification with being a victim, which makes me angry at those guys while actually letting them continue to hurt me. The words say "no" but the actions say "yes", get it? Anger is weakness. But it is as it is.

And ultimately, I know I am a leader. I was born talented. I learn faster than most people, VERY good at solving problems, have more drive, more passion. I'm capable of changing the vibe of a whole room. When I am with a group of people I often form the role of leader (if I'm not stuck in fear) simply because I have more conviction than other people. Am I "better" than anyone? Of course my ego got in there and I was arrogant for a while, then I swung round and was overhumble and tried to hide my power. Neither of those are solutions. I have strength to share, and I can't resist it or overplay it; I must embrace it as it is.

A while back I met a role model for this energy that really impacted me. She... was a woman, but I don't think that's a problem as it's more the relationship towards masculine energy (if that is what I'm talking about) than the energy itself, which as a man I obviously have more of in its raw form. Let's call her "Claviers", because I don't know her name, but I did remember the place where she came from, a village by that name.

When we met each other she gave me the look I've seen sometimes, a glowing look that said "I see intelligence in you", which I returned, because I did. Her face was very intelligent.

She sat very straight but not stiff. Her makeup and so on was tasteful and attractive, though not overworked or "too much effort". I remember she was talking to someone across the table, who I felt was a bit of an idiot. Me and Claviers obviously had much more in common than Claviers and the idiot, so I'm sure Claviers would have come to the same assessment of her. The idiot (poor thing... that's what I'm gonna call her now) was talking about Obama and doing some rather bad mental masturbation. BUT Claviers was listening very attently, and even though it was clear (to me) that she didn't agree with the lady's opinions, she was totally accomodating. Even though Claviers WAS about ten thousand times smarter than idiot, this fact just didn't matter to the conversation.

Being the lover of blunt sincerity that I am, I pointed out that Obama was nothing more than a figurehead and was going to be just as bad a president as any of them. I know. Dumb. The idiot then proceeded to demonstrate to me how difficult it is to debate with someone who only sees what she wants to see. The look that Claviers gave me said whole sentences: "Yes, you have a point, but you shouldn't have said that."




I'd like to write more about her but it's hard to describe what I'm talking about, as it's more like an energy than any concrete action or mannerism. Still, I think I've painted a picture here. This woman embodied attunement with masculine energy better than anyone I know. I kick myself, because I didn't realise immediately how much she had to teach me, and I didn't get her contact details. Well, I also thought I'd be spending a year in France and I'd see her again at similar events (it was a gallery inauguration), which turned out not to be the case. So all I have is my memory. Come to think of it, I think Fingers [I wrote this originally on another forum. Fingers is Señor Fingers, who you may possibly have heard of if you're into seduction literature] has this energy down on an equal level; he's totally capable of voicing criticism, for instance, and taking criticism, without either being a victim or a tyrant. I can't wait to see what he's like in real life.

That sums it up, actually. Neither victim, nor tyrant. Just unapologetic, not-overly-ostentatious strength. Simple attunement with, acceptance of, a perfect relationship with Power. I don't know how I can "learn" it. But I believe it's something I can meditate on and intentionally absorb into my personality through a sort of osmosis.


--Andrew

[thirial]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

This is one of the biggest hangups I'm working on right now. That is, both self-respect, and respect for others; the two seem to be so intertwined that I shouldn't distinguish them. Just call it global respect.

Hi Andrew, i'm also an huge fan of pook! i can tell from your post that you haven't fully integrated the belief that both self respect and respect for others, or global respect, are intertwined because of the lack of respect for you have for your father and for the man you just met who you "felt" was an idiot. Firstly, i think you need to accept your father as product of his time, i cringe to think of where i would be right now if i was born 40 years earlier and i had no access to the Book of Pook etc, we are very lucky in that respect that we have at our disposal enough information to become the men we want to be.

The best leaders serve their fellow man and to become better leaders i believe we need to be more accepting of those men who may not be endowed with as many talents as ourselves. Everyone here is on a path of growth and self discovery and just because someone may be on a lower level does not make them an idiot. Flash Judgements put up barriers between people and lessens our ability to lead because on an subconscious level one can always tell if they are being judged. Manipulative, vampiric leaders, believe the men they are leading are idiots and will treat them as such, a perfect example of this is John Mccain.

And ultimately, I know I am a leader. I was born talented. I learn faster than most people, VERY good at solving problems, have more drive, more passion. I'm capable of changing the vibe of a whole room. When I am with a group of people I often form the role of leader (if I'm not stuck in fear) simply because I have more conviction than other people. Am I "better" than anyone? Of course my ego got in there and I was arrogant for a while, then I swung round and was overhumble and tried to hide my power. Neither of those are solutions. I have strength to share, and I can't resist it or overplay it; I must embrace it as it is.

this is a big problem i have at the moment, that is; shining too bright and worrying about stepping on other peoples toes. many men resent being in the presence of other men who have worked on themselves ruthlessly because they haven't worked up drive and courage to do the same themselves. i have learnt the hard way not to gloat about things i am extremely proud to have achieved except with close friends. to my surprise i have found the less i talk about my talents and exploits myself the more other people will talk about them for me behind my back - this is where the "mystique" of charisma comes in

That sums it up, actually. Neither victim, nor tyrant. Just unapologetic, not-overly-ostentatious strength. Simple attunement with, acceptance of, a perfect relationship with Power. I don't know how I can "learn" it. But I believe it's something I can meditate on and intentionally absorb into my personality through a sort of osmosis.

last year criticism whether constructive or otherwise would wound me but i think that the more honest criticism i have received the more i was able to get over myself. Tyler Durden has an extremely powerful technique for keeping your ego into check, whenever you think your the grandest, most talented, pimp ass mother****er in the world just have a big hearty laugh at yourself to bring you back down to earth. This way we can become more attuned with our power and self esteem and our ego doesn't feed off of it and suck it all out.

[Andrew Gubb]

Thanks for your reply thirial, we're obviously on the same page here!

Hi Andrew, i'm also an huge fan of pook! i can tell from your post that you haven't fully integrated the belief that both self respect and respect for others, or global respect, are intertwined because of the lack of respect for you have for your father and for the man you just met who you "felt" was an idiot.

Yep, I recognise this. Integrating the understanding isn't quite so easy though. I know I'll continue to suffer until I'm capable of forgiving my father, but for now the memories hurt too much.

to my surprise i have found the less i talk about my talents and exploits myself the more other people will talk about them for me behind my back - this is where the "mystique" of charisma comes in

Hmmm, nice tip!

I guess this is the same as exposing my weaknesses. I'd like to be able to open up totally to everyone in the world, but they're not all capable of accepting me as I am. And if I can't accept that fact, I'm clearly the same. Maybe I only open up to these people because I don't accept myself and subconsciously I'm inviting them to attack me.

I gotta be an onion of mystery, and let down my layers as I judge people worthy of getting to my deepest core.

[mlc82]

I'd never heard of the "Book of Pook" til I saw this thread. That thing is hysterically funny and rings so true in many ways!

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by mlc82

I'd never heard of the "Book of Pook" til I saw this thread. That thing is hysterically funny and rings so true in many ways!

I'm glad I sent some good ripples your way mlc, if only by accident. Hm, maybe we should start a thread for it?

[funchy]

What is "masculine" energy?

I've never heard of Pook until now. I'm off to go read it.

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by funchy

What is "masculine" energy?

Well, it's impossible to define really... but I tried to paint a picture of it. Try an' feel behind the words, ya know? I'm not 100% that what I'm talking about is masculine energy, but more or less.