Darkworker path is SOUL destructive!

[darkw0rker]

Quite funny. I decided to quit this forum and devote my whole life to darkworking. But from the beginning I knew there is something just not quite right about it!

Here is the website I found.

Discover the Real Jesus

Read about dark forces here!

Real Jesus,

And also here about why you are here and who is GOD:

Real Jesus, Your true spiritual potential

These posts just made too much sense to me that I can literary feel the truth in them.

By the way, I hate christianity, and still do! Although this site is about Jesus and not christianity, I used to hate Jesus as a result of christianity too.

But my whole idea of Jesus has changed.

Dark Forces Do exist, ERIN PAVLINA has also written on her blog. I don't know why Steve is encouraging us to become darkworkers!!!

Although I feel the darkworker's path does benefit the self(EGO), but it actually destroys your true self(SOUL).

[Elrond]

darkworker-lightworker-darkworker-jesusworker lol decide already.

[Apollia]

Originally Posted by darkw0rker

Dark Forces Do exist, ERIN PAVLINA has also written on her blog. I don't know why Steve is encouraging us to become darkworkers!!!

Here's a quote from page 184 of Steve's book:

Originally Posted by Personal Development for Smart People by Steve Pavlina

A small percentage of people are able to adopt the moocher mindset without lowering their awareness. They skew the principle of love in the direction of self-love, essentially rejecting the principle of oneness along with its virtues of empathy, compassion, honesty, fairness, contribution, and unity. This is the mind-set of career criminals who intentionally harm others for personal gain. Although I don't personally recommend it, I will admit that it is possible to consciously choose this path. Fully exploring this option is outside the scope of this book, but if you care to learn more about it in order to come to a more conscious choice regarding your own path, please visit the Archives page at www StevePavlina.com/blog/archives, and scan for articles that include the word darkworker in the title.

Just thought I'd point that out, since it shows that Steve definitely doesn't recommend darkworking.

Some of his articles were definitely a bit confusing to me as well, but the above quote is pretty clear and also recent.

Welcome back to the board. I can't think of much to say about the idea of "dark forces", I'm very agnostic about that sort of thing (as well as the entire lightworker/darkworker polarization concept). All I can say is, I hope such scary things don't really exist.

Thanks for the links, though, they look interesting.

Best wishes,
Apollia

[Matt Willard]

Steve has said before that he doesn't advocate one polarity over the other. In the end, it's up to you to choose.

[darkw0rker]

OMG now all of a sudden everyone is defending Steve's sayings! That was the least important aspect of the post and yet everyone seems to see only that part.

It really is not that big of a deal at all, but I do remember Steve saying that since he is lightworker biased, he encourages non polarized people to go for darkworking because the more darkworkers rise up, in result more lightworkers will also rise.

I bet no one even read those links!

[Matt Willard]

Just pointing out what I know.

[Apollia]

Originally Posted by darkw0rker

OMG now all of a sudden everyone is defending Steve's sayings! That was the least important aspect of the post and yet everyone seems to see only that part.

It really is not that big of a deal at all, but I do remember Steve saying that since he is lightworker biased, he encourages non polarized people to go for darkworking because the more darkworkers rise up, in result more lightworkers will also rise.

Hmm, I can't remember reading that anywhere, but, Steve has written a ton of articles and I definitely haven't read them all.

I might be wrong, but, that sounds more like a misinterpretation of something he said rather than something he actually would have said.

I bet no one even read those links!

I only glanced at them so far, I haven't had the time to read them in depth yet. Thanks again for them, though.

Best wishes,
Apollia

[darkw0rker]

Okay this is the proof about Steve's saying.

"While I may be lightworker-biased, I also want to encourage those who choose to pursue the darkworker path because as long as they keep growing in awareness, all of us will ultimately benefit from it."

Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness

It is the last three sentences of the article above.

Now can we get over the whole misinterpreting Steve's sayings?

[Apollia]

I'm not really the best person to defend Steve's ideas on polarization, because the polarization concept is probably the #1 thing I most disagree with Steve on.

But, I think maybe what he meant was, he wants to encourage darkworkers who have already chosen that path to grow in awareness, and hopefully reach the point of learning that what is best for the "body" of humanity is best for the individual darkworker, who is like a cell of that body. However, I don't think Steve meant to encourage people to adopt the path of darkworking.

In any case, his book quote is more up to date than the quote from the blog post. So if he has ever encouraged people to become darkworkers in the past, I don't think he means to do so anymore.

Not that I can read Steve's mind or anything.

Best wishes,
Apollia

[m18pak]

darkw0rker, I have been a student of that website's teachings for nearly a year now, and all I can say is that if Kim Michaels isn't the real deal and actually channeling Jesus Christ and other ascended masters, then he's still the wisest person I have ever encountered in my entire life.

I had the exact same reaction as you when I first found the website: it was as if I could literally feel it was all true.

I can say without a doubt that that website is by far and away the most enlightening, illuminating source of knowledge I have ever found in my life.

[Cran]

Darkworker, imagine the fun I am having daily going to university and my parish and pretend I am a good little Catholic with a honest desire to save my soul

Well, I do not believe in God, I do not believe in soul, but those are just minor factors.

[Xanafax]

Darkw0rker it seems you are confused. You obviously do not like Darkworking, and up until recently it seemed you wanted to be a Darkworker.

You also like Lightworking, but up until recently you didn't.

So here is what I will recommend - don't jump on the first site you find that seems to look good. Stop posting every time you change your mind. It just makes you look a little weird to the rest of us.

AND JUST RELAX! Chillax man, and take a deep breath, you got time, you get the resources, you got your soul, so don't worry about all this stuff until its clear in your head.

[darkw0rker]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

Darkw0rker it seems you are confused. You obviously do not like Darkworking, and up until recently it seemed you wanted to be a Darkworker.

You also like Lightworking, but up until recently you didn't.

So here is what I will recommend - don't jump on the first site you find that seems to look good. Stop posting every time you change your mind. It just makes you look a little weird to the rest of us.

AND JUST RELAX! Chillax man, and take a deep breath, you got time, you get the resources, you got your soul, so don't worry about all this stuff until its clear in your head.

Yeah but this is the only community that I can share my thoughts and feeling with, my family and friends cannot think anything outside of shopping malls and tv programs.

But I'm sorry if my posts are confusing and disturbing to you anyways.

[ProjectX]

I used to be confused as well until I learnt about enlightened self-interest, where doing to others or to me will have a win-win effect.

[CroMagna]

"While I may be lightworker-biased, I also want to encourage those who choose to pursue the darkworker path because as long as they keep growing in awareness, all of us will ultimately benefit from it."

1. "may"
2. "I also want to encourage those who choose to pursue the darkworker path"
3. "as long as they keep growing in awareness, all of us will ultimately benefit from it"

Just read what the man wrote. He is not anti-darkworker. He is quite humanistic.

In any case, I'm not understanding why you have so much confusion about this. Did you even polarize?

[bluedragon]

I have a question. Can you be a darkworker, but your purpose in life to be helping others, because that is best thing that makes you feel good about yourself, thus raising your self esteem? And being extremely good at using the law of attraction to your benefit, you wouldn't even need to ever hurt anyone for personal gain?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by darkw0rker

Okay this is the proof about Steve's saying.

"While I may be lightworker-biased, I also want to encourage those who choose to pursue the darkworker path because as long as they keep growing in awareness, all of us will ultimately benefit from it."

Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness

It is the last three sentences of the article above.

Now can we get over the whole misinterpreting Steve's sayings?

You're taking the quote out of context and misinterpreting it.

It means that I encourage people to pursue whichever path they consciously choose, not that I have a preference for darkworking.

[Eric Revelin]

The lightworking and darkworking paths converge at a certain point. People who want to become powerful, who want to advance above all else, will eventually reach a point where they have to expand beyond their polarity and adopt the positive traits of the other.

Darkworkers who care nothing for anyone are still better off picking a legal path to money and power as opposed to being drug lords or pimps. The latter are in constant danger and they can't trust anyone. The former may still be unable to really trust anyone, but not only is it possible to build their empires within the bounds of the law, they can actually manipulate the system so that it defends them and furthers their interests.

But what about when the impact of their actions hits home? It has to sooner or later. Think beyond a single lifetime- even if suffering the consequences of their actions doesn't change them in the here and now, if there's something beyond this life it's going to impact them. They're going to learn from it. They'll have to. It will be necessary for their survival, and for regaining the power they once possessed.

Understanding the impact of one's actions is the first step toward empathy. Take a step toward empathy and suddenly you're not acting entirely out of self-interest anymore. Even if that person stays self-focused they're no longer a destructive force. IE, to maintain the health of a single cell requires them to help the body stay healthy, so that's the smart model for someone who's reached that point.

It's already plainly obvious what a lightworker has to deal with. It's too easy to go too far in caring for others. Burn out is guaranteed, and a tender heart is easy to manipulate if it's naive and eager to please.

Burn out will force a lightworker to slow down. Slowing down will force him to take a look at why he burned out. This should cause him to note the lack of concern he's shown himself. It should also make it clear when and how others have taken advantage of his altruism.

The lightworker path converges with the darkworker path when the individual has lost his naivety without sacrificing his honor or his innocence. The darkworker path converges with the lightworker path when it becomes clear that total self focus is ultimately destructive.

This is not light and dark in the sense that there are good and evil forces at work in the universe. This is a spiritual concept but it's separate from that. Darkworking is about serving yourself, not carving pentagrams into your arm and chanting prayers to Satan. It's not going to destroy you. What will destroy you is a stubborn refusal to change your strategy when what you're doing isn't working out. Truly evil people are by and large stagnant darkworkers. They refuse to learn from the destruction they reap in their own lives, and everything that happens only drives them to destroy something else.

Stagnant lightworkers often become depressed or bitter because it seems like no matter what they do the world doesn't change; they just get ripped off and tossed aside, as do other would-be heroes. They don't understand that self-concern is necessary to sustain them, and that true change is begun with patience and realistic expectations.

People become stagnant when their method becomes more important to them than the result. In this context any path can be destructive. Look at Christianity; there's a lot of good Christians out there who are changing the world for the better, but their focus is on serving humanity and seeing something positive come of their faith. There are lots of other Christians who are spreading hatred and fear. They speak love but they're very prejudiced. These people are much more concerned with being right, or sustaining their way of life, than they are creating a positive, growth-spurring environment for themselves and their fellow human beings.

I think the people who can walk the darkworker path without suffering self-destruction are very low, and perhaps non-existent. This is assuming they follow it up until they are forced to reconsider their strategies. On the same token, the number of lightworkers who will never experience burn out, or be tempted toward bitterness and hatred, are very low. What determines whether or not this will ultimately destroy them is their reactions to their problems.

Now if they start praying to the prince of darkness, or they wait for angels to move them out of the way of a speeding truck, we're talking about destruction on a much deeper level of their being. That, however, isn't inherent to either the darkworking or lightworking paths.

[NexusOfCompletion]

Thank you Eric Revelin for that very informative post. I am new to this site and just started researching the concepts of polarity and darkworkers/lightworkers.

I understand how committing to one polar side is very powerful. However, have you considered that in the end the path of moderation may be just as powerful?

[Vanderlei]

I'm a darkworker and still far away of being destructive.

[Aeroney G]

In order for someone to be able to choose to be something, they have to experience what it is to be the opposite. How does one know what it is to be a light worker without having walked on the side of dark working.

Darkworker, you seem to have tried the experience of dark work and now prefer the light worker path. There is nothing about that which could be taken as confusion. In saying that, the fact that you are still unsure about who you realy wish to be is part of growing into who you are going to be. But make a educated choice, ensure you have all that you need to take the path you are choosing, research, experiment and experience.

Then when you find a path that truely feels right for you, and one that also serves you, enjoy it, live it and love it.

I am not yet familiar with Steve's work but I am growing more aware of my own personal developement and I wish you all the best for your journey.

Regards
AeroneyG

[funchy]

Eric Revelin - GREAT post !

darkw0rker - I understand your need to sort through these things. The trouble is you post one thing as if it was absolute fact, then a day later you're posting a new truth that conflicts it. Its frustrating because it's hard to hold a conversation with someone who can't make up their own mind. But you don't admit you can't make up you own mind; instead of posting thoughtful questions, you post statements. I am not saying this to be unkind, but rather to give you an understanding of why some of us are frustrated.

I don't think Steve is promoting being a darkworker. He is promoting being the real you, whatever that may be. Some people may just naturally fall into the darkworker category, and fighting against their true selves will only cause unhappiness.

The message I feel is important is to really discover & accept who you really are. Only then can you really give yourself to your endeavors. Only then can you be free of constant internal conflict.