Lightworkers and Darkworkers

[jay78]

That's it! I usually don't post but I have to say something about this lightworker vs. darkworker business.

People are really getting these two confused with seflless vs. selfish and good vs. evil. BIG difference.

There are so many people who are visiting these forums saying "oh yeah, I'm a darkworker, I only think about myself, I want it all and want to get so rich, yes I'm the darkest there is". No, you are just a soul in progress and eventually your spirit will evolve and so will your perception on life. You will most likely change, in this lifetime or another, and become a less self-centered individual because the more spirtually advanced you become the more you will be able to see past your own two eyes.

Now let's talk about the REAL Darkworkers. The pimps, rapists, mass murderers, drug lords, mob bosses, etc, of this world. Like everyone, they have a "quotient" which they can add to with either light or darkness. They consistently choose the darkness until their "dark quotient" is so high that they become capable of doing the most unspeakable of the unspeakable, such as Hitler who got to the point where he was so dark he was capable of ordering Jews, homosexuals, even countless of children, to be tortured, raped, killed,cooked alive in ovens, mind you (by the way, did someone try to make the argument that Hitler was a Lightworker? Come on, now).

Darkworkers can eventually acheive a state of such profound darkness that they become a "demon", someone who has received an A+ in all things not of the light. And just so you know, you DO get to experience the ripples your stone has created in this ocean called life after you die in your life review, but this is getting into more psychic talk which I know a lot of people don't like so I'm not going to go there.

Don't you understand you can also go the OTHER way, and let the light you were born to shine illuminate this world? Everyone truly has the potential to be Mother Theresa, Hitler or anything inbetween. You have free will and in life you are given the opportunity to learn aka advance aka ASCEND your soul but you must understand that with the opportunity to ascend your soul comes the opportunity to DESCEND your soul - everyone always talks about ascension but forgets that there can be no pass/fail test without the opportunity to do both. I have seen many people who are true angels and people who can only be described only as demons and I can tell you the only thing they have in common is their childhoods (let's stop the excuses people, you always have a choice).

I just feel like giving up sometimes when it comes to some people. It's just sad to see some individuals think that it is so cool to be called a "DarkWorker" when it's NOT. Should these people on these boards who flaunt their so-called darkness ever become truly of the dark...well, I don't even want to talk about these kind of things.

[CroMagna]

Those "real" darkworkers are all committing illegal acts. It's funny that you never mentioned CEOs or politicians for example. Illegal activity is stupid. It is not in the best interest of self-preservation to end up in jail. Real darkworkers do not want to end up in jail.

Those "real" darkworkers normally don't have any other options. They grew up poor in rough neighborhoods and don't know how to get out of poverty. Some people are fourth generation gangsters. Mass murderers are normally sociopaths born without a conscience, severely brain damaged as a child, AND abused.

Real darkworkers are not sociopaths. Sociopaths can not feel any love. Darkworkers feel love of self.

Three examples of real darkworkers would be Ayn Rand, Max Stirner, and Anton LaVey.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Exactly Cro!

Sorry Jay but your perceptions are biased, and dangerously so.

Too bad.

[Byron]

Ayn Rand is not a darkworker, nor does the objectivist philosophy espouse true darkworker tenets.

She herself did not see the effect of that philosophy on humanity as a whole. When one person has a goal, above all else, to his own happiness, productivity, and achievement, he is also contributing to society as a whole.

Even in 'Atlas Shrugged', when the creators did not work, the whole of society is affected. The effect of the contributions of even the supposed 'selfish' workers, is seen across all of the society, and the importance of each individual contribution is seen. The 'selfish' workers who claim to want fame and fortune and all the rewards for themselves, can only get that by contributing to society, and benefitting the greater good.

The only difference between these tame darkworkers and lightworkers is that one sees short-sighted, self benefits only, while the other sees the whole of the energetic cycle.


Further, when asked to list who are true darkworkers, to name the lions that you say you follow, you listed a bunch of cats.
Who are the ultimate darkworkers?
Where are the darkworkers with acclaim, who contribute on great scale and achievement, and with lasting contribution to society, and who ensure great happiness, wealth, success, achievement, fame, resources, as darkworkers so claim to desire, for themselves?

[Byron]

Further, it's interesting that the two most vocal proponents of the darkworker philosophy are
a high school kid

and an out of work person.

Just as you should look at the body of the person who's telling you what to eat, so too at the life of the person who's telling you how to live.


No personal criticism here, but perhaps upgrading your life philosophy and aligning with truth would lead to some improvements in your lives.

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Originally Posted by CroMagna

So I didn't get the job that I had my heart set on and had worked extremely hard to get. I have no job, I have no money, I have tons of bills and now I'm burned out. I'm sick of looking for a job, but I need one ASAP.

Originally Posted by CroMagna

I'm so tired of feeling miserable. I'm so tired of everyone hating me, attacking me, making me feel so low and so sub-human. I'm tried of crying everyday, I'm tired of procrastinating. I just want to die now.

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Why does everyone hate me so bad? Why is life is cruel and hard?

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Byron

Ayn Rand is not a darkworker, nor does the objectivist philosophy espouse true darkworker tenets.

She herself did not see the effect of that philosophy on humanity as a whole. When one person has a goal, above all else, to his own happiness, productivity, and achievement, he is also contributing to society as a whole.

Even in 'Atlas Shrugged', when the creators did not work, the whole of society is affected. The effect of the contributions of even the supposed 'selfish' workers, is seen across all of the society, and the importance of each individual contribution is seen. The 'selfish' workers who claim to want fame and fortune and all the rewards for themselves, can only get that by contributing to society, and benefitting the greater good.

The only difference between these tame darkworkers and lightworkers is that one sees short-sighted, self benefits only, while the other sees the whole of the energetic cycle.


Further, when asked to list who are true darkworkers, to name the lions that you say you follow, you listed a bunch of cats.
Who are the ultimate darkworkers?
Where are the darkworkers with acclaim, who contribute on great scale and achievement, and with lasting contribution to society, and who ensure great happiness, wealth, success, achievement, fame, resources, as darkworkers so claim to desire, for themselves?

Nothing you said about Ayn Rand makes her less of a darkworker.

And why are you asking me who the darkworkers are when I am not the one who invented the philosophy? You would have to ask Steve.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Byron

Further, it's interesting that the two most vocal proponents of the darkworker philosophy are
a high school kid

and an out of work person.

Just as you should look at the body of the person who's telling you what to eat, so too at the life of the person who's telling you how to live.
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Because the lightworkers are so much more successful right?

Most of the people here have not gotten very far as of yet. Someone saying their life purpose is to heal humanity means nothing. Let's see the goods. Being a lightworker just means you'll be one of a million people professing that they want to bring healing to humanity and producing little of nothing.

As for "out of work", I was encouraged by this very website to quit my job (see Job Quitter's Club) and since then I have made plans to relocate to Memphis, again decided by the people on this very website. That's why I'm "an out of work person." How about "a once depressed person no longer depressed? a once hopeless person now hopeful? a once overweight person now losing weight rapidly? a once disorganized slob now in clean surroundings and dressed neatly everyday?"

Lastly we are not telling you how to live. I have absolutely positively no interest in having others convert to my beliefs. If anything, I would be glad if they didn't so that they don't feel they have an edge.

ETA: I have not been a forum member or a darkworker for a very long time either. Give me 6 months and see how I do then.

[newmark]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Those "real" darkworkers are all committing illegal acts. It's funny that you never mentioned CEOs or politicians for example. Illegal activity is stupid. It is not in the best interest of self-preservation to end up in jail. Real darkworkers do not want to end up in jail.

Those "real" darkworkers normally don't have any other options. They grew up poor in rough neighborhoods and don't know how to get out of poverty. Some people are fourth generation gangsters. Mass murderers are normally sociopaths born without a conscience, severely brain damaged as a child, AND abused.

Real darkworkers are not sociopaths. Sociopaths can not feel any love. Darkworkers feel love of self.

Three examples of real darkworkers would be Ayn Rand, Max Stirner, and Anton LaVey.

Everyone has a choice; even if the choice is more limited, there is always some level of choice.
The idea of lightworker/darkworker has some limited use, but is too simple to lead to a great understanding of people.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by newmark

Everyone has a choice; even if the choice is more limited, there is always some level of choice.
The idea of lightworker/darkworker has some limited use, but is too simple to lead to a great understanding of people.

Really? It helps me understand people greatly. I feel highly comfortable around other darkworkers because I know their motivations. I feel comfortable around lightworkers to an extent. I feel truly uncomfortable around most NPCs because they are difficult to follow.

[Xanafax]

Hello CroMagna!

I have been reading a few of your posts and on one I saw you said you where losing interest in the Darkworker Philosophy?

What drove you to it, and what is driving you away?


For myself personally I would say I am trying to do something altogether different than the *Worker philosophy, I am looking for the infamous Third Side to all this, as Steve seems to only have given side A and Side B, I want Side C

[Byron]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

And why are you asking me who the darkworkers are when I am not the one who invented the philosophy? You would have to ask Steve.

Why would we ask someone who is preaching to back up their words with evidence?

Steve did not invent this philosophy. He is showing a dichotomy in human movitvations. Begin with the Bible to see a comprehensive view on the difference between low and high sources of motivation.

Darkworking and selfish motivations can serve to bring people from low consciousness, fear, anger, etc, into courage. But above that, lightworking prevails.

[newmark]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Really? It helps me understand people greatly. I feel highly comfortable around other darkworkers because I know their motivations. I feel comfortable around lightworkers to an extent. I feel truly uncomfortable around most NPCs because they are difficult to follow.

But dividing the world into 3 types of people is too simplistic. It has some truth, but the world is more than just black and white. There are many colors and shades between.

[Xanafax]

I agree with newmark, you can't simply say some people are Lightworkers, some people are Darkworkers and the rest are just undecided.

There must be degrees of separation?

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

I agree with newmark, you can't simply say some people are Lightworkers, some people are Darkworkers and the rest are just undecided.

There must be degrees of separation?

I agree. I didn't mean that there are three types of people. I meant that there are degrees. Steve explains how there's a scale and that's how it's easier to read people. Like if someone's a -6, they're really darkworkerish and if they're a 0, they're nonpolar, or a +6, really lightworkerish. People move along the scale, because polarity is a journey not a destination.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Byron

Why would we ask someone who is preaching to back up their words with evidence?

Steve did not invent this philosophy. He is showing a dichotomy in human movitvations. Begin with the Bible to see a comprehensive view on the difference between low and high sources of motivation.

Darkworking and selfish motivations can serve to bring people from low consciousness, fear, anger, etc, into courage. But above that, lightworking prevails.

What do you mean? Preachers are often asked to back up their claims with evidence. Besides, Steve is not a preacher. Would you listen to a preacher?

Steve did invent the philosophy. He said that if you don't polarize, you are living far below your potential. He also described behaviors that are never mentioned in the Bible.

[CroMagna]

Xanafax,

I still do darkworking because it is a healing mechanism for those traumatized and abused, but I'm not sold on the idea that it will definitely cause me to boost my potential.

[Byron]

YOU are being asked to back up your preaching with evidence.

Though it is seen now that you are preaching darkworking, but you yourself are not a worker.

Further, from your above post, can be seen that darkworking is your defense mechanism. As said before, such negative tactics are often used by people in low consciousness states to move up to neutral.


For real life, it is useless for those with positive motivations, and dangerous to those who don't. Connect to your conscience and truth, before you speak about what you don't know, especially when it is a negative, faulty, and dangerous view.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Byron

YOU are being asked to back up your preaching with evidence.

Though it is seen now that you are preaching darkworking, but you yourself are not a worker.

Further, from your above post, can be seen that darkworking is your defense mechanism. As said before, such negative tactics are often used by people in low consciousness states to move up to neutral.


For real life, it is useless for those with positive motivations, and dangerous to those who don't. Connect to your conscience and truth, before you speak about what you don't know, especially when it is a negative, faulty, and dangerous view.

First of all I'm not interested in preaching. I'm not interested in converting anyone.

Secondly, you contradicted yourself by saying that I'm not a worker and then saying darkworking is a defense mechanism. Either I'm doing it, or I'm not.

What's wrong with someone from a "low consciousness state" (whatever that means) using polarity as a tool to move them up? Walk a mile in my shoes.

I fail to see how this could possibly be dangerous. I don't have any power, I can't be dangerous. "Connect to your conscience and truth", what does that even mean? What do you know about this and more importantly, what qualifies YOU to preach?

[Plato]

I don't know or care who is a darkworker.

I do like to look at people who have successfully amassed great power though. Nathan Rothschild, Giovanni Medici, Otto Von Bismark. In modern day I might look at people like Rupert Murdoch. There are people with a great deal of skill as well who are interesting to look at too... say Tiger Woods. There's a lot to learn from him. I'm almost certain he uses fear energy as his source of motivation.

For a really interesting book of a person who polarizes as a darkworker read the Count of Monte Cristo. A great story.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

I agree. I didn't mean that there are three types of people. I meant that there are degrees. Steve explains how there's a scale and that's how it's easier to read people. Like if someone's a -6, they're really darkworkerish and if they're a 0, they're nonpolar, or a +6, really lightworkerish. People move along the scale, because polarity is a journey not a destination.

Hmmm, I don't remember ever seeing anything about a scale. I understand Steve's philosophy to include the notion that you're either a 1 or a 10 (maybe, maybe a 9). Anything in between, you're fooling yourself.

Especially with this Darkworker/Lightworker concept. Either you have deliberately and consciously aligned as one or the other, or you have not. The degree to which you adhere to your commitment, now, maybe that's what you're talking about -- but that's about effectiveness once you've polarized. Polarization, as I understand is not a journey, it's a choice. You make it or you don't. *Poof*.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Angela

Hmmm, I don't remember ever seeing anything about a scale. I understand Steve's philosophy to include the notion that you're either a 1 or a 10 (maybe, maybe a 9). Anything in between, you're fooling yourself.

Especially with this Darkworker/Lightworker concept. Either you have deliberately and consciously aligned as one or the other, or you have not. The degree to which you adhere to your commitment, now, maybe that's what you're talking about -- but that's about effectiveness once you've polarized. Polarization, as I understand is not a journey, it's a choice. You make it or you don't. *Poof*.

That's true. I stand corrected. I guess he meant that the -6s and +6s are still nonpolarized but just have certain tendencies.