How can a darkworker have children?

[CroMagna]

As a darkworker I feel hardpressed to have kids. I don't see the point

Why would a darkworker have kids? To make themselves look good? To play with cute mini-me live toys--oh wait, that's the reason regular people have kids

I think once a person gives birth, that moment breaks their polarity.

Food for thought

[Elrond]

It is interesting that in the olden days, kids were actually useful, and people had many kids because it was practical (and because they used pigs bladder for contraception). More hands to help on the farm. How ironic that some people say that the fertility rate in the west is so low is a symptom of peoples increased selfishness, when kids are just a liability in practical terms. "Honor thy parents" is a commandment that doesn't mean that you should kiss up to your parents or something like that, but that you should take care of them in their elderly years. Hey, there's another selfish motivation (no motivation is selfless but ya know) that people used before to have kids. Who were gonna take care of you in your elderly days in the past if you had no children? Noone.

Nope don't see any benefits for a darkworker in this.

[Elfwing]

Because Darkworkers aren't evil. Because they want to love and they want to pass down knowledge, and to be loved. Just in a more self-motivated way - such as the fact that some people help others because it makes them, the helper, feel better.

[Amandaaa]

I think a darkworker would want to have kids for the personal satisfaction of being able to see himself in his children, and being able to pass his own knowledge and greatness down into the next generation...

[missing]

Originally Posted by Elrond

It is interesting that in the olden days, kids were actually useful, and people had many kids because it was practical (and because they used pigs bladder for contraception). More hands to help on the farm. How ironic that some people say that the fertility rate in the west is so low is a symptom of peoples increased selfishness, when kids are just a liability in practical terms. "Honor thy parents" is a commandment that doesn't mean that you should kiss up to your parents or something like that, but that you should take care of them in their elderly years. Hey, there's another selfish motivation (no motivation is selfless but ya know) that people used before to have kids. Who were gonna take care of you in your elderly days in the past if you had no children? Noone.

Nope don't see any benefits for a darkworker in this.

these days kids are more likely to shove you into a sterile depressing nursing home than you know, care for you. Though in all honesty I've always felt having kids to be rather selfish. You are using your power to create another conscious life who can't consent to it. If not for practical reasons, than why? Egotistical stuff? To prove you can meet the challenge? Yea, that's my bet.

In past generations kids for a darkworker might have made sense. Today however they are too expensive and a liability.

[oBakasan]

Think of it as an investment in the future - where else are you planning to get a kidney transplant on such a short notice?

Besides, ensuring that your blood continues to live on after you die will give you a load of relatives that will help you get back on your feet once you're out of the cryopreservation facilities a few centuries down the road.

That and William J. Sidis-type social experiments aside, I really don't see much of a use for kids these days - even if you want cheap manual labor or a couple of extra servants then you can just buy off some orphans from an east Asian country. The prices have been dirt cheap ever since slavery has been outlawed.

[Elfwing]

Do remember that it could be your children who change the world for the better.

[MyEyeIsOpen]

I count myself as a lightworker and even I wouldn't deliberately have kids. I DO have 2 step kids, who I love very much, but I wouldn't have chosen kids just for their own sake. They are an enormous resource drain, and I feel like those resources could help more people than the two they currently help.

I don't think this is a question of light or dark working, it's just a question of efficiency.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Elfwing

Do remember that it could be your children who change the world for the better.

Cause' that's what darkworkers are all about...

[missing]

Originally Posted by Elfwing

Do remember that it could be your children who change the world for the better.

or worse. Every criminal/murderer/dictator/terrorist etc. was somebody's child. Theoretically you could say that it had to do with "bad" parenting, and such would never happen with *your* kids. But parenting is difficult. What if your kids rebel? I'm not saying that they will end up murders as a result, but it's sheer arrogance to think that your progeny will make the world *better* instead of worse. Why? Cause it's yours? Sorry, this argument is fail on so many levels.

I think one should consider that perhaps it's simply time for one's genetic line to come to an end. Think about how cool that is, you get to be the last one! That's true darkworker material, to reap the benefits of every generation that came before you without worrying about giving to the next. It's sure better than being another boring link in the chain.

[anirak]

for years, i thought that having kids was selfish...that there was no point but to mold them into a mini-you...but now, i'm thinking that while we're here on earth in our current bodies, we might as well experience as much as possible.

i've heard that childbirth is a miraculous event, and as a woman, i feel that maybe i should experience it, even if that means i'd have to be responsible for almost 2 decades.

[missing]

Originally Posted by anirak

for years, i thought that having kids was selfish...that there was no point but to mold them into a mini-you...but now, i'm thinking that while we're here on earth in our current bodies, we might as well experience as much as possible.

i've heard that childbirth is a miraculous event, and as a woman, i feel that maybe i should experience it, even if that means i'd have to be responsible for almost 2 decades.

yea and just think of all the things you WON'T get to experience once you pop out your "mini-me". 2 decades of responsibility? lol, it's gonna be more than that given the current economic climate. Once you have kids your life as you know it is OVER.

There is nothing miraculous about childbirth. Idiots are breeding every day, with horrifying results. Nature built us for multiplying, the real miracle is to defy this and not have kids.

but I suppose as a woman you are susceptible to "babies rabies". Thankfully I don't have that problem.

[Cran]

Babie rabies .... sweet. Didn't now that English expression, leanred something again.

But (as a woman), I can ery much realte. I really do not want children, because they will to some extent be my responsibility throughout life (not just 20 years), and there are many things I want to achieve where children would only be a hindrance, they consume so much time and money.

But still, I feel curiosity at being pregnant and giving birth - a very challenging act. But not making up (for me) the things I wrote above, and not interesting enough to make a baby and give it up to adoption just because I am curious!

[Gdet9878]

Do you think as you get older, life would be more boring without children? Like once you start living on your own, its a whole new experience. But maybe that experience has to come to an end and you have to give to some one else what you received, such as your parents did to you what their parents did to them.

At this point in my life, I don't see myself wanting children at all. But what will i be doing in 20 years? Would I eventually change my mind?

[Halffull]

Darkworker doesn't tell you much about a person except they're driven by selfishness...

There could be a variety of world views and life situations that would make having children a selfish act... same thing with being a martyr, helping starving children, killing a baby... all these acts could be undertaken by both lightworkers and darkworkers, depending on their worldview and circumstances.

[missing]

Originally Posted by Halffull

Darkworker doesn't tell you much about a person except they're driven by selfishness...

indeed. People get the idea that all "darkworkers" act a certain way and all "lightworkers" will act a different way, but I don't see it like that at all. It's more of an internal thing, a way of consciously managing energy. External action is the result, but we don't know the process that manifested such a thing in that individual. For all we know Mother Theresa could have been a darkworker. Probably not but it's a possibility.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Halffull

Darkworker doesn't tell you much about a person except they're driven by selfishness...

Steve is driven by selfishness. He sees everything as part of himself (the whole "oneness" cliche) so that being a lightworker empowers what he considers to be himself. A darkworker on the other hand often only view himself as his only self, so he only works to empower the only self as he sees it: himself.

[Halffull]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Steve is driven by selfishness. He sees everything as part of himself (the whole "oneness" cliche) so that being a lightworker empowers what he considers to be himself. A darkworker on the other hand often only view himself as his only self, so he only works to empower the only self as he sees it: himself.

I had a different understanding... that he saw HIMSELF as part of everything... and that a lightworker would work for the whole, RATHER than themselves. Selflessness. It's all really just semantics tho... thought provoking post man.

[The David]

For food! : D

[Lauxa]

Maybe a darkworker would take satisfaction from placing his children in positions of power and prestige so that even in his own age he would have minions to funnel resources to him. Maybe he would take satisfaction that even as he passes on all the power and wealth he has accumulated are being used for the benefit of his genetic code.

[funchy]

My understanding of darkworker is selfish or self-centered, which absolutely describes people with kids.

Let me preface this by saying I don't hate kids or fault people for doing things that are self serving. One day I think I might like to have kids. I am just explaining what I've observed in the parents I've met.

Having kids has got to be one of the most selfish things a person can do. I see my female friends getting pregnant for all the attention. They do it to have someone to control. They do it because they're very lonely and a child goes everywhere with you. Some do it to selfishly save a dying marriage, and the sad thing they don't know is the stress of a new baby is likely to make things worse. Some people desperately want to spread their values out into the world, and when they realize they can't force others to change, they have kids so they'll have someone guaranteed to pass on their beliefs. Some people are just so lazy and self-centered that it was too much work to find a condom, so they end up being parents because it's too much work to find an adoption agency.

And this is further evidenced by the situations people choose to keep kids in. Crack-addict single moms who fights the courts to keep their kids, just to have the child later beaten to death by the drug-using boyfriend. Fifteen year old girls who think having a baby is like having a doll, and insist on keeping their "doll" when the teens can't even take care of themselves. Or the worst is probably kids caught in the middle of a divorce; parents fighting over ownership of the kids not for the kids sake but to deprive the other partner.

I don't know anyone in modern American who has kids because it helps the greater good. It's not like the human race is in danger of dying out. And when some parts of the world are already overcrowded and resources are being stretched to accommodate the people we already have, wouldn't having kids be a great example of someone who did something against the greater good of the whole?

[mercuryrising]

Because you can brainwash them however you like

[Angela]

Originally Posted by The David

For food! : D

Thank you for a big laugh this morning, The David!!

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Originally Posted by Angela

Thank you for a big laugh this morning, The David!!

you might laugh but I've read about certain cultures using kids as food during famines. They would switch though with other parents to avoid eating their own offspring. Perhaps not the primary motive for having kids, but who knows, it could have been in the back of their heads. History shows us to be a much less noble, selfless species than we like to think.

I suppose some still might see the humor in this. Personally I don't think anything is beyond laughing at, no matter how horrible. But some topics you have to be wary about (ie, the holocaust) out of respect for those who may not agree.

[Plato]

I read the Iliad by Homer a while ago. Besides thinking it was a really dull book, there was one thing that caught my attention: King Priam of Troy has 50 sons. Doin' the MATH that means 100 kids presumably. Wow.

Just imagine having hundreds of kids... mother of god.

Another thing that made me happy was the sentence:

"Jove heard as he was sitting on Olympus, and laughed for joy when he saw the gods coming to blows among themselves."

Seriously.

[Cran]

Judging from the biblical story of Salomo, high numbers in kids usually went with a high number in wives and concubines...

[Matt Willard]

The act of having children isn't the problem itself. It's what you do with them. If you're a crappy parent, it's gonna show. Can't blame the kid for doing bad things if you failed to teach them otherwise because you suck. Same goes for having a kid for the wrong reasons, like funchy mentioned. I've seen loads of people who don't deserve their children. And my father was a pretty crappy parent, too. Sure, I'm taking matters into my own hands, but it's no excuse.

Sorry for the aside. Have kids or don't, it's your call. But if you do, you should probably try your best not to completely suck at it.

[Asmoday]

Most of the reasons have been covered here well.

As an addition, on a pragmatic, functional level the dynasty is a common motivation.