You cannot become more conscious as a darkworker.

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Darkworking is a way of becoming less conscious. Fear as I understand it is ultimately based on a falsehood - that it is possible to die. Or rather, that what you are is what dies.

Fear is how people are controlled and kept down. The people who think they are controlling -- they are being played in the same way, but they cannot see it.

No-one ever got enlightened through fear energy (one of Steve's articles seemed to suggest it was possible). Ramana Maharshi suggested focusing on the self but that was in order to uncover the illusion.

Ultimately, I think if you really wanted to work in your own best interests you'd give up fear energy. This is where my path has led me: my focus was on my self more than others but I imagine that to be in the healthy way mostly, where you see that it is yourself that you can best change.

There is more pleasure in lightworking; in darkworking pleasure is not really pleasure (something which heals our body or energy) but gratification. That is why you can eat more than what your body needs. It's not really the body that is asking for it, but the ego.

Make no mistake: fear energy is the disease and peace and truth the cure.


I'd like to add also that just because you say you're a lightworker or darkworker doesn't mean you are one. I suppose it can be a good way of setting out the course to be taken but all of our lives will be a conflict of good and evil. All of it.

[Elrond]

I suppose it can be a good way of setting out the course to be taken but all of our lives will be a conflict of good and evil.

Why are you talking about good/evil?

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Why are you talking about good/evil?

Darkworking/lightworking

≈

Evil/good

[Daniel Birdick]

This is exactly the problem. People who talk about lightworker qualities really think that it’s based on truth. As if to say, “the reality is, everyone knows that those who lovingly serve humanity, aka lightworkers, are walking the path of truth, while those who don’t are delusional.” That belief is itself delusional. Reality includes both lightworker and darkworker qualities, ergo, if one leads to consciousness (greater personal awareness and growth) then it only stands to reason that the other will as well, only in a different way.

And yeah, fear energy does play a part of the darkworker philosophy, true enough. I’m not afraid that what I am will die. I’m afraid of living and dying in mediocrity. I’m afraid of being stuck in a life that doesn’t fit me anymore. And I’m afraid of believing in pipe dreams in the vain hopes that it’ll all work itself out in the end. “Peace” isn’t the cure for mediocrity; focus, action and determination are.

Why is Ramana Maharshi’s so called enlightenment considered to be such a great thing? I mean come on, who really wants to live out the rest of his or her life in a cave? Are we humans really here to live our lives “blissed” out on feelings of never ending happiness? Really, are we here just to “cop a feel” from the universe that doesn’t end? It doesn’t sound like any kind of enlightenment I want.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Buttercat Apocalypse

Darkworking/lightworking

≈

Evil/good

According to Steve dark/light-working doesn't equal evil/good. Though I do recognize that you didn't use the equation sign!

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Elrond

According to Steve dark/light-working doesn't equal evil/good. Though I do recognize that you didn't use the equation sign!

It's just words. In my own thoughts I just call it good and evil. It's vaguer, which is why I append the proviso: "Good and evil in this case means alignment with peace and fear respectively".

[Akashic_Librarian]

I consider fear very powerful!

I use Fear, or I am learning to anyway, its got a pretty steep learning curve as well!

It's like Alchemy; You have to take one thing, a base material: Fear, and change into the "Gold" that you want, power, wealth, happiness...

I don't buy into this rubbish that Lightworkers are better than Darkworkers, its just a lifestyle choice. I have said it before and I will say it again.

Lightworkers choose service to others, Darkworkers choose service to self.

Lightworkers are similar to Transcendentalists, Darkworkers are similar to Existentialists.

Two sides of the same Coin. Two halves of the same whole.

Two reflections in the mirror of Erised.

Furthermore this idea of Lightworking being more enjoyable...well not for me it isn't.

There is a cool song by Goldspot called It's Getting Old, the opening lyrics are:

"It's getting old, isn't it?
To love everyone else
More than you love yourself"

and I think that sums up my problem with Lightworking. I don't get ANY pleasure from helping others. Only do I get pleasure when it gives me some kind of reward.

[ProjectX]

Darkworkers just love themselves more. Lightworkers love the world.

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

Darkworkers just love themselves more. Lightworkers love the world.

Ya know I don't even think that's true.

I'd say that a lightworker knows how to truly love himself. A darkworker doesn't love himself. He loves his ego. He loves his thoughts about himself. He loves what he thinks he is. Focuses on himself more, yes. But what he does isn't really good for him - it brings pain and cruelty into his life.

A darkworker and a lightworker mean very different things with the word "love". A DW will "love" someone as if they were a possession, something to add to their "self". A LW will see the beauty in another person, will see the Source reflected in their eyes; not "be mine" but "you're beautiful". There's no needing in it.

[Annabelle]

Pardon my ignorance, folks. What is all this talk about DW and LW? Are we one or the other by nature or by choice? And don´t we all are both, depending the circumstances?

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Annabelle

Pardon my ignorance, folks. What is all this talk about DW and LW? Are we one or the other by nature or by choice? And don´t we all are both, depending the circumstances?

DW and LW is basically the argument about good and evil, more or less. Except that if I remember correctly he came up with the idea when thinking about motivation: that there were two ways to be really motivated, out of fear, and out of love. Further, that in order to get best results you shouldn't mix the two.

Fear ends up becoming conflict, hatred, arrogance etc. Basically, this is evil. He calls it darkworking. I guess he just wants to distance himself from organised religion.

Love becomes creative expression, kindness, etc. Actually I prefer peace. Love sounds like something you do or make, but peace is more like the absence of fear. When there's no fear your true nature can shine through.

[Akashic_Librarian]

...Buttercat you are SO wrong it's like being back at Church.

Lightworkers feel a sense of oneness with everything, they love the world, and as an extension love themselves because they are a part of the world.

Darkworkers feel a sense of Individuality. Ones own personal freedom is the highest good of all. They love themselves, and love the world because they can get everything they need from it for much lower prices if they love it!

I am getting pretty sick of hearing all this talk of good and evil. I am just not understanding why you feel the need to call one good and one evil, it makes no sense!

It's a very immature attitude towards the philosophy and rather than show up how great of a LIghtworker you are, it just shows up how ignorant of the idea, you truly are.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Buttercat Apocalypse

It's just words. In my own thoughts I just call it good and evil. It's vaguer, which is why I append the proviso: "Good and evil in this case means alignment with peace and fear respectively".

Oh it's just words. But words are used to communicate and it helps to have roughly the same definition of the words that are used. It keeps us from having to go back and forth with "what do you mean with saying that?" and stuff like that. This is the first time that I have met someone who uses your definition of good and evil.

just sayin'.

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Oh it's just words. But words are used to communicate and it helps to have roughly the same definition of the words that are used. It keeps us from having to go back and forth with "what do you mean with saying that?" and stuff like that. This is the first time that I have met someone who uses your definition of good and evil.

just sayin'.

Suppose you're right. But these sorts of arguments are always rife with misinterpretation..

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

...Buttercat you are SO wrong it's like being back at Church.

Lightworkers feel a sense of oneness with everything, they love the world, and as an extension love themselves because they are a part of the world.

Darkworkers feel a sense of Individuality. Ones own personal freedom is the highest good of all. They love themselves, and love the world because they can get everything they need from it for much lower prices if they love it!

I am getting pretty sick of hearing all this talk of good and evil. I am just not understanding why you feel the need to call one good and one evil, it makes no sense!

1. it's just words; see proviso above.

2. what's your problem? Just cause I made a statement doesn't mean you have to flip out at me. Try making your own argument. Calling me wrong and then making statements about arbitrary words "darkworkers this" "lightworkers that" is not a reasoned argument.

It's a very immature attitude towards the philosophy and rather than show up how great of a LIghtworker you are, it just shows up how ignorant of the idea, you truly are.

Anyways I've tried both sides from the inside and I have to say lightworking makes more sense to me on so many levels:

Fear: unnatural. Fear is fight or flight but makes no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sense to have those chemicals in your bloodstream when you're faced with the prospect of unemployment, for instance. Based on falsehood; for instance, that the individual can ever mean anything (in 1000 years nothing of us will be left). The chemicals from fear and all of the associated emotions cause major stresses on the body and are not at all healthy.

Also, on the model that we are everything in our consciousness, it just doesn't make sense to focus on one person specifically.


Peace: natural; it's just what's there when you don't need anything. No special chemicals in your blood. Asides that there is a general sense of wellbeing as you realise you don't need anything. You realise what beauty and love really mean.


I'm not trying to say one or the other are fundamentally "better" than each other, that's DW talk LW makes sense. It's the better choice. That's all.

[Annabelle]

Oh, thank you guys...NOW I get it!

[Akashic_Librarian]

Erghh you see what is happening these sorts of threads are giving people the wrong idea about the whole philosophy.

And your argument about chemicals in the blood is nonsense. There are types of chemicals (Its called Biochemistry) that cause peace, peace is not a lack of chemicals, its being doped up!

You seem to be closer to Nihilism than Lightworkism, and all your doing is painting everything I am saying with the "I'm better than you" attitude...

Its called snobbery, get over it.

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Its called snobbery, get over it.

Yes SIR!

[Parthon]

I have no idea why so many lightworkers call darkworkers evil. Is there something to fear about darkworkers? I don't like the term dark/light anways, it's too skewed.

I'd call them Worldworkers and Selfworkers instead. Worldworkers care about other people and the whole world primarily, while Selfworkers tend to care about themselves primarily. They can both align with fear, or they can both align with love, truth and power. If a worldworker aligns with fear though, they tend to become scared of others at the same time as wanting to help them. They try and protect others and stop them from growing, along with seeking out security all over the place. Their lives aren't an expression of growth, but of control, manipulation and protection. They also have a tendency towards using violence to get their way, by using anger and fear instead of love and understanding. A selfworker acting from a place of fear or anger is quite straight foward, they are scared of how they look in the eyes of others so they do everything they can to look better, or they are scared of dying, so they collect more stuff to feel more alive, and seek gratification a lot.

Now, if you take a worldworker, align them with truth, love and power, you get Steve, which is fine, but if you take a selfworker and align them with power, truth and love, then you get something else entirely. You have someone who focusses on creating the biggest empire possible, while treating others with respect(love), learning the way how everything works(truth) and putting all their effort into expanding and creating more(power). They have loving families that they shower with money and happiness. They try and create soulful relationships because they feel better. They really honestly enjoy themselves and quite often meditate and take spiritual journeys, all to enhance their self. This isn't just the ego either, this is their whole self as it touches all planes, their true essence. Instead of helping others, they want to live the best life possible, in everyway.

While many selfworkers tend to sway towards evil, many of the ones running some of the more successful companies are good aligned selfworkers. They often own massive empires, forged out of doing the best for others, but only because it's what's best for them.

So good and evil exists outside of light/darkworking, but I think the biggest problems are the words we use to describe them.

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

I'd call them Worldworkers and Selfworkers instead. Worldworkers care about other people and the whole world primarily, while Selfworkers tend to care about themselves primarily. They can both align with fear, or they can both align with love, truth and power.

Then you're talking about a different thing. I am talking about those who align with fear vs/love. Steve described them as such, too. The trouble comes up with his idea of the in vs/the out breath and working for yourself/vs working for others. Those aligned with love might be more likely to work primarily for others, but not necessarily. There are fear-based reasons to focus on others, too. So we've got a whole mess of over-simplification here.

So good and evil exists outside of light/darkworking, but I think the biggest problems are the words we use to describe them.

I agree.



In the end the message I wanted to impart is:

Fear (the psychological/egotistical fear that has nothing to do with running from a dinosaur) = poison. It's more or less the reason the world is screwed up.

[Parthon]

Yeah, love is always a billion times better, longer lasting and more effective than fear.

[Akashic_Librarian]

OK but who said Darkworkers were aligned with fear and nothing else?

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

OK but who said Darkworkers were aligned with fear and nothing else?

From what I understood from reading Steve's articles on polarity, that is the definition of a darkworker.

[Akashic_Librarian]

That's Steve's BIASED definition of a Darkworker. I have numerously explained many times what a true Darkworker is.

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

That's Steve's BIASED definition of a Darkworker. I have numerously explained many times what a true Darkworker is.

Steve invented the word, doesn't he get to define the arbitrary combination of syllables however he wants?

[wolfgang]

You can never totally eliminate fear. Fear is what keeps you alive.

No-fear=death.

Everyone alive is existing in the world because of fear. It's in your body's make up. You can't change it. The body is basically a bundle of fear responses. It's made to preserve itself (darkworking?). We have tons of instinctual reflexes that are fear or preservation of the self mechanisms.

Wanting to breathe is fear. Hold your breath. When you start to breathe again - it's fear of dying in your body taking over in a hardwired way.

Everyone is a darkworker or they can't live on.

imo

[Buttercat Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Wanting to breathe is fear. Hold your breath. When you start to breathe again - it's fear of dying in your body taking over in a hardwired way.

I thought this way too, but I've changed my mind recently. There's a different sort of fear. I suppose it comes from our natural instincts, but in most people it is a pathological force that is way out of balance.

Perhaps you can see the distinction in worrying vs. planning. One is a destructive waste of energy. The other can be done with a cool head, even when the potential threat is very great -- in fact, it is much better done with a cool head.

[Plato]

Lightworkers and darkworkers both feel fear.

Darkworkers fight fear, and this is translated as a desire for dominance. Lightworkers transcend fear through focussing on love. Both methods work, but a blended mix of the two is inneffective. Why do they work? Because they give you a reason "Why"

What are these "Whys?" For a darkworker it is the hatred of feeling powerless, weak or stifled that motivates you forward initially. You never want to feel that way again. When a darkworker achieves power it feels intensely good. I mean reallllly good. Lightworkers in contrast, have a vision of a human utopia of love and co-operation that makes them come alive. It's a beautiful feeling.

As lightworkers and darkworkers grow, things that were daunting are now easy but new challenges emerge. These are the next stepping stones in growth. The art of personal growth is to use appropriate stepping stones. Too big = failure, too small = stagnation. Growth can be achieved without polarising, but choosing one way or other will allow you to take bigger stepping stones, and faster.

Deciding which way to polarise is about deciding which is your preferred method of growth -- fighting, or loving. Understand that both lightworking and darkworking are METHODS for growing, but depending on which you use, your experience of life will be tangibly different.

I have tried both methods but still am not sure which I prefer... the feeling of power from darkworking IS seductive, but there is a lot of frsutration and pain in getting there. Lightworking in contrast gives me a more consistent feeling of joy. I still haven't decided.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Plato

Deciding which way to polarise is about deciding which is your preferred method of growth -- fighting, or loving. Understand that both lightworking and darkworking are METHODS for growing, but depending on which you use, your experience of life will be tangibly different.

Hey Plato, your post, and especially this paragraph, is the clearest summation of polarization that I've ever read! As for me, I'm a lover not a fighter.

[ProjectX]

I think everyone should start of as a darkworker, to empower themselves before they can even think about being a lightworker.