Hitler and polarity

[darkw0rker]

With regard to all this polarity talk it'd be interesting to add Hitler. So was he a darkworker? Although I think he developed darkwork syndrome

[Sam988]

Yeah he definitely was a darkworker. He probably had DW syndrome, he wanted too much power and too fast. If he had done it a bit more slowly and carefully (like being more careful before invading russia), who knows how the war could have ended.

[Brutha]

It's very difficult to judge from the outside.
Killing the jews for example was an action where he believed that it's the right thing to do, but that result in a weakening of his power because it required manpower that could otherwise have been used to fight the war.

In general I don't think that Hitler was very conscious during the war years and being conscious is a necessary condition for being either lightworker and darkworker.
He was to impatient with his projects.

To make that judgement you would first have to understand Hitler morals. If you think that killing people made him a darkworker you haven't understood enough, to be able to make one.

[ticktockclok]

I'd call him a very low level darkworker.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Brutha

To make that judgement you would first have to understand Hitler morals. If you think that killing people made him a darkworker you haven't understood enough, to be able to make one.

I didn't flag him as a DW because he killed people, but rather because he was obviously insanely power-hungry.

[Neblasian]

didn't flag him as a DW because he killed people, but rather because he was obviously insanely power-hungry

This what gets me about a whole lightworker darkworker thing. A person can be a a vicious murderer and still be a lightworker because the overall goal is for a greater good. Kinda scary.


Regards

[WanderingOak]

Originally Posted by Neblasian

This what gets me about a whole lightworker darkworker thing. A person can be a a vicious murderer and still be a lightworker because the overall goal is for a greater good. Kinda scary.

True. He actually thought that he was working for the greater good of Germany. The American Eugenicists during the 1930's sterilized tens of thousands of people, 'for the greater good'. The Germans got the idea from them...

[Brutha]

A person can be a a vicious murderer and still be a lightworker because the overall goal is for a greater good. Kinda scary.

Yes, especially the thought that other people could use other moral systems is scary.

but rather because he was obviously insanely power-hungry.

To make that judgement you would have to find situations where doing things that follow his morals and things that gave him more power conflicted.
I don't know much situations where there that conflict that you would need to make a judgement.

[Holistic Star]

Originally Posted by Neblasian

This what gets me about a whole lightworker darkworker thing. A person can be a a vicious murderer and still be a lightworker because the overall goal is for a greater good. Kinda scary.


Regards

I don't agree with that. I think if someone is killing other people simply because of their race, sexuality, religion etc thens/he is not a lightworker - however much s/he thinks s/he is saving the world.

Confused, dangerous, disturbed - but not lightworker.



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[Brutha]

I don't agree with that. I think if someone is killing other people simply because of their race, sexuality, religion etc thens/he is not a lightworker - however much s/he thinks s/he is saving the world.

Why?
Where does your concept of a lightworker come from?
If it comes from Steve articles about the topic where Steve invented the term darkworker (nobody used that word before on the internet according to google), it's all about intention for behavior.
It's not about Good and Evil.

[Neblasian]

@ Holistic

At first I was confused by the whole lightworker/darkworker thing. But thanx to Brutha I now know:

To determine whether someone is a lightworker or darkworker you have to look at the motivations for his actions instead on the actions themselves.

Yes so it is possible Hitler can be a lightworker. I remember George Bush once said he is doing God's work and it is his duty to protect the free world. Look at all wars and threats of war he has caused. But it can be agrued that he is a lightworker. As for slavery, some of the colonist thought it was there duty to civilise the "savages". Some religious people can even argue that slavery brought christainity to the slaves, and to them this is a good thing. I know it may sound psychotic or evil to you or me. However, it is not what we think, it is the lightworker's intent, purely subjective.

A lightworker can be just as evil, ruthless and psychotic as a darkworker. The word "Dark" confuses most of us.



Regards

[Holistic Star]

According to Steve's definitions:

Lightworker = service from love = service for others

Darkworker = service from fear = service for self


So Hitler thought he was providing a service for others, but only if you were Aryan. He might have said it was for the love of the Aryan race and the love of Germany that he was doing those things. But really if you look at it, it was based in fear. Fear of outside influences, religion, sexuality, alternative lifestyles which is why he destroyed those things. It wasn't only Jews that he killed, but also outspoken Christians, gypsies and homosexuals and anyone who threatened his master vision. Even Aryans who spoke out against him or showed love and compassion to the people he persecuted were punished aswell.

How the heck is any of that love-based? How the heck is that a service for others (all people, not the select few)? How the heck is that lightworking?

[Brutha]

However, it is not what we think, it is the lightworker's intent, purely subjective.

Since it's a subjective reality concept it's no wonder that it's subjective
If you try to analyse things without the traditional lenses of good and evil you can get a different perspective that helps you to understand certain things.

The word "Dark" confuses most of us.

Because you want to think through those Christian concepts and want to have a godlike authority after which you can judge things as good or as evil.
But there is no authority that could make such a judgement in the subjective reality frame.
In subjective reality people are actually 100% responsible for their decisions and can't hide behind some external moral standard.
I Think I Get the Lightworker Thing Now is a good example that it takes a while to understand the concept because it's completly nonintuitive for most western people. Impaul argued months that the concept makes no sense till he finally made certain internal steps and got it for himself.
Most people aren't conscious enough to see the choices themselves, but make choices out of their social conditioning (myself included).

I remember George Bush once said he is doing God's work and it is his duty to protect the free world.

The question is whether we actually believe that Bush said those things for rhetorical purposes to gain support from some far right Christians or whether he actually believes in them.
You should also remember that the terms only apply to people who have made the conscious choice to be either one or the other. Most people never make that choice.

How the heck is that a service for others (all people, not the select few)?

For one "people" is a relative term that can mean humans (do you count embryos?), it can also include animals or mean every intelligent thing. It's culture dependent.
By a similar logic a hardcore prolife activist could say that people who are prochoice can't be lightworker.
For Hitler "people" had a certain meaning that probably didn't include Jews.

You also seem to miss the idea of social darwinism.
According to that idea humanity as a whole profits at a larger timeframe from eliminating the weak elements.

Trying to understand philosophies that you don't agree with is a really difficult task, because you have to have the space in your mind to consider that other belief systems makes internal sense.

If you argue that someone is a darkworker you argue that all his decisions where he has to decide between the two ways of acting go into the direction of service for self.
If you argue that someone is a lightworker always decides for service for others.
If you argue that someone sometimes decides for one and sometimes for the other, he/she is neither.