New Darkworker...Need Help

[darkw0rker]

Hey all,

This darkworking stuff has just gave me so much power lately. I feel like I have always been a real darkworker, but pretending to be a lightworker because of social and cultural brainwashing.

But I have a very important question. I have made a choice to commit 100% to become a darkworker. But recently, I am studying philosophy in university and I wanted to become a professor. They way I see it, I want knowledge. And by becoming a professor I surely gain some power. But I'm afraid that being a professor has some light into it. Please help me to figure this out. Thanks.

If it is so, then what would a darkworker do with a passion in philosophy?

P.S.

Do we have darkworker philosophers? Perhaps Nietzsche was one of them? Can I become a darkworker philosopher too?

[Brutha]

Being a darkworker or lightworker is about your intention for doing things, not about what's in it.

[Sam988]

Brutha already said it all. Yes you can become a philosophy professor, and if your motivation is, as you stated, to gain knowledge and some power, then yes that's in line with the DW train of thought.

[Angela]

Why should I help you? What's in it for me?


Nah, just kidding. I was trying on being a Darkworker there for a sec. I just can't do it with a straight face.

[darkw0rker]

Thanks everyone for your help, that cleared up the meaning for me . But seriously why did you help me? LOL joking... Oh my god, this is so fun!!

[Jonathan Browne]

Just because being polarized as a darkworker can make you gain considerable power does not mean its a fulfilling path. If you really think your "meant to be a darkworker" let ask you this... would you currently feel comfortable killing a friend or family member in cold blood because if it will give you considerable power?

Becoming a darkworker is a path of corruption, not a natural alignment with ones true calling.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Browne

Just because being polarized as a darkworker can make you gain considerable power does not mean its a fulfilling path. If you really think your "meant to be a darkworker" let ask you this... would you currently feel comfortable killing a friend or family member in cold blood because if it will give you considerable power?

Becoming a darkworker is a path of corruption, not a natural alignment with ones true calling.

Darkworking doesn't equal corruption. Darkworking doesn't mean you're willing to kill in order to gain something. Frankly, killing would be stupid in most cases. From a purely pragmatic perspective it's a high risk, low reward venture 90% of the time. Any power you might gain is a moot point when you wind up behind bars. If that's what someone truly wishes to do then so be it, but I doubt they're very smart.

Darkworking is first and foremost about individuality and personal development via introspection and activities that are personally gainful. Even within a polarity there are positive and negative expressions of that polarity. The negative expression of darkworking is what Steve described and what you are referencing in your post. The positive expression doesn't go out of its way to harm anyone because the positive darkworker understands that inflicting ills upon other people is not an effective long-term strategy to gaining power since those methods yield unsustainable results. If you're too willing to backstab no one will ever trust you and you will not surround yourself with people you can trust. You'll have no deep relationships, you'll have to be on guard all the time... Frankly, the only people who can live as a negative darkworker are psychopaths and conspiracy theorists.

If I were to simplify it, the negative darkworker uses fear to control others. The positive darkworker uses fear to make himself fearless. Note that I consider this an oversimplification, but it's accurate for those who equate darkworking with fear and lightworking with love.

[darkw0rker]

Well I totally agree. Even if killing my friends is really interesting and fun for me, I do not gain something valuable personally in the long run. So being a darkworker, as I see it, is all about relying on pure reason to promote your best self interests in the long run.

It's important that all you do for yourself should be beneficially in the long-run. If you are a darkworker and you are looking forward to short-run goals and needs, very soon you will develop the darkworker syndrome.

So for me to rule the mankind, I need to serve them all in the first place, although my serving them is not for the sake of helping them, but for the sake of my own's interest and power.

[lifeforce]

All this talk about power. I hope no one's implying that lightworkers have no power.

[darkw0rker]

Of course lightworkers have power. Just look what Gandhi did for example. The only people who are not powerful are non polarized ones, although not saying its bad or whatever, maybe they don't even care about power at all, and we honor their choice.

[Eric Revelin]

I don't think one needs to polarize in order to have power. This is about finding a path and focusing your energy. When your whole being is behind your endeavors then you will be a success. Lightworking/darkworking is an interesting perspective but that's all it is- a lens through which to view the thoughts and deeds of those who aspire to greatness.

Lightworkers and darkworkers have more similarities than they have differences. In truth they desire the same things. What differs is their methods. Even lightworkers can do harm by their methods and intentions. Polarity only makes someone powerful when it increases their ability to live consciously.

[wulph]

Originally Posted by Angela

Why should I help you? What's in it for me?

LOL.. I was thinking the same thing Angela, but it was way funnier coming from you :P

[Jonathan Browne]

Your not really polarized as a "darkworker" unless your killing people, if not literally than in spirit, in my opinion.

Theres no real advantage to being a "darkworker" if you want to gain influence in the world. Unless of course you make the descision that you don't care if you crush people along the way. True darkworkers are mobsters, drug dealers, corporate ladder climbers unafraid to sabotage people on the same team for their own advancement, corrupt politicians willing to help pass laws they know will hurt or possibly kill millions of people. You can gain significant power from doing these things.

Please don't go out and murder someone okay? But think about it, it's not hard to murder a person and get away with it. If your really a "true darkworker" then you should make sure your parents have tons of life insurance and then find a way to kill them and collect. Wouldn't be hard. How's that sit in your stomach?

If your a darkworker you should have no problem stabbing people in the back. They don't matter. If they stop becoming useful or pleasurable for you find a way to extort as much benefit from them as possible and then you can start to use them by preying on their vulnurabilities and insecurities. You just have to learn to be slick and you can make many weak people think your their friend and give you everything they have while you laugh at them.

How fun. If your sick and corrupt. Darkworking is about as good a path as going to the darkside was a good descision for anakin skywalker in star wars. "Release your anger! Follow your dark emotions! You'll know the secret to immortality and have ultimate power!"

As the star wars movies proved not only is darkness weaker, but eventually you cease to be a person at all and become more of a monster incapable of pleasure (from anything other than something maniacal) or normal human emotion, and constantly calculating some dark plot to gain power.

[Eric Revelin]

I think you misunderstand the nature of darkness. Darkness is a natural and necessary aspect of life. It's not about good vs. evil, it's simply different. Both lightworkers and darkworkers are capable of evil, the difference is that the lightworker will do it with the best of intentions and the darkworker will either do it out of bitterness or because he's trying to benefit from it.

Murder, stealing, etc. are not means of gaining sustainable power. A darkworker is quite capable of understanding that we're all in this together and that wanton pain infliction will come back to bite him eventually. There's a lot of diversity within every group of people, even the polarized.

[darkw0rker]

I think what most people misunderstand about the nature of a true darkworker is that they think a true darkworker's intention is to make hell for others. But exactly the opposite, a true darkworker wants to bring heaven for himself or herself since he or she doesn't care about others.

[Jonathan Browne]

Murder and stealing ARE ways of gaining sustainable power. A darkworker does NOT understand that we are all in this together. They understand there must be other people in the world for them to live but they aren't "in this together" with them, they don't give a s--- about those people and would love to have the opportunity to exploit those people.

Darkworkers are the kind of people who would regard something like the constitution as an obstacle if they are in political power.

[mercuryrising]

I would think that the basic mantra of a darkworker is "the end justifies the means."

[Eric Revelin]

Of course there are darkworkers who would do that. Of course murder and theft can give someone power. That's why I use the term sustainable power. Murder and stealing don't give someone sustainable power. It's also why I say they're capable of understanding, not that they do understand.

Nobody escapes karma. The intelligent darkworker is going to learn from it eventually. It doesn't mean they will change alignment but their methods will change. You can pursue a path to personal power that doesn't involve ruthlessly tearing other people apart. A darkworker will eventually discover that what's best for him is what's best for everyone else, too.

You're focused on the immature kind of darkworker, the kind that's incapable of thinking of long-term consequences, the kind that's naive enough to think he can defend himself from hidden threats without anyone to back him up. No empire built in such a fashion can help but crumble given the passage of time. The same is true of immature lightworkers that are too giving, or too naive. Both of them need to learn enlightened self interest before they'll gain any real power.

[darkw0rker]

Well said Eric.

And that's why darkworking and lightworking is essentially the same path. Because in the long run you realize:

1- If you want to do the best for everyone, you have to do the best for yourself

2- If you want to do the best for yourself, you have to do the best for everyone

By the way I believe that these terms are misguiding and inappropriate. The term lightworker reminds us of 'GOOD' subconsciously, and the term darkworker reminds us of 'EVIL' subconsciously.

What I call them is Peopleworker and Selfworker.

The lightworker should be called peopleworker since he cares most about people. The darkworker should be called selfworker who wants the best for himself or herself.

[coLLege kid07]

Originally Posted by darkw0rker

Well said Eric.

And that's why darkworking and lightworking is essentially the same path. Because in the long run you realize:

1- If you want to do the best for everyone, you have to do the best for yourself

2- If you want to do the best for yourself, you have to do the best for everyone

By the way I believe that these terms are misguiding and inappropriate. The term lightworker reminds us of 'GOOD' subconsciously, and the term darkworker reminds us of 'EVIL' subconsciously.

What I call them is Peopleworker and Selfworker.

The lightworker should be called peopleworker since he cares most about people. The darkworker should be called selfworker who wants the best for himself or herself.

I guess...but personally I feel that's kind of selfish. Yea you can not care about people...but becoming self-absorbed in whatever you do isn't necessarly a way to get people to like you.

[ticktockclok]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Browne

Murder and stealing ARE ways of gaining sustainable power. A darkworker does NOT understand that we are all in this together. They understand there must be other people in the world for them to live but they aren't "in this together" with them, they don't give a s--- about those people and would love to have the opportunity to exploit those people.

Darkworkers are the kind of people who would regard something like the constitution as an obstacle if they are in political power.

I don't understand why people regard "darkworkers" as evil. They're people who serve themselves first. That means dumbass/low-level darkworkers would steal and kill, so that they can quickly gain power. Then when they get the **** beaten out of them, they quickly lose that power and never get it back. Only low-level darkworkers use such means to gain power.

High-level darkworkers learn that they can't serve themselves without serving others. Which makes them just about the same as a high-level lightworker, except that lightworkers first think of serving others. The high-level darkworkers know that murder and theft will give them little pleasure in the long run.

Low-level lightworkers are often the same as low-level darkworkers. Think of a low-level lightworker as the politicians who actually think their doing good acts by heavily taxing the rich, with their "undeserved" money, to give it away to the poor. Socialism. On the other hand, a low-level darkworker would me a mafia godfather. He works for himself, but eventually, he gets screwed over. Its inevitable.

Low-level lightworkers and low-level darkworkers can both be evil. I don't think darkworking is about "power", but giving yourself satisfaction. If helping the poor of India gives you the most satisfaction, and you do it for your satisfaction, you're a darkworker. Or Mother Teresa. At the high levels everything gets mixed up.

[ticktockclok]

Originally Posted by darkw0rker

Well said Eric.

And that's why darkworking and lightworking is essentially the same path. Because in the long run you realize:

1- If you want to do the best for everyone, you have to do the best for yourself

2- If you want to do the best for yourself, you have to do the best for everyone

By the way I believe that these terms are misguiding and inappropriate. The term lightworker reminds us of 'GOOD' subconsciously, and the term darkworker reminds us of 'EVIL' subconsciously.

What I call them is Peopleworker and Selfworker.

The lightworker should be called peopleworker since he cares most about people. The darkworker should be called selfworker who wants the best for himself or herself.

Hah, I just saw that you posted this. You have it right.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by ticktockclok

Low-level lightworkers and low-level darkworkers can both be evil. I don't think darkworking is about "power", but giving yourself satisfaction. If helping the poor of India gives you the most satisfaction, and you do it for your satisfaction, you're a darkworker. Or Mother Teresa. At the high levels everything gets mixed up.

Hmm, I think it's more apt to say that at high levels people cease to be darkworkers or lightworkers and instead become twilightworkers. My thoughts are that there are two kinds of twilight: the unpolarized and those who ascend the limitations of either polarization. That means the high levels of darkworking or lightworking would actually be the transition into that phase.

Anyways, low-level darkworkers don't have to be evil either. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to figure out that you'll get ♥♥♥♥♥-slapped for compulsively lying and stealing and killing. All it takes is a little observation and a little forethought. Imagine you kill someone, and you get away with it. But you're paranoid; extremely paranoid. You run through the checklist in your mind: Did I hide the body well enough? Did I destroy the murder weapons? Am I certain that nobody could see me?

You're not powerful nor can you be satisfied when you're paranoid. You can work through the paranoia, you can laugh it off, maybe you wouldn't feel it at all, but it doesn't change the fact that you can usually get what you're after without putting your freedom and peace of mind at risk. That's not to say darkworkers are afraid of risk; they couldn't be darkworkers if they were. However, any risk-taker that wants to live the duration of his natural lifespan needs to be smart about it. On the surface you shouldn't see a difference between a darkworker and a lightworker. You don't need to be afraid of getting physically killed by them. At low levels it is true that you need to keep your guard up mentally and emotionally because they'll try to manipulate you, but aside from that they're fairly harmless.

It's the mid-level darkworker that understands there's nothing to be gained in draining other people of their energy to satisfy his own cravings. The diligent darkworker will go deeper and find the energy within his own soul to satisfy his greatest desires. The mid-level darkworker can move in the other direction, too; he can step up his efforts to manipulate, deceive, and destroy others. This means that one kind of mid-level darkworker understands that he cannot serve himself without serving others while the other turns manipulation and betrayal into an art form. The first kind would spit upon the second and say, "I'm better than that" whereas the latter would be too busy delighting in turning people into puppets to notice.

The high level darkworker will either move beyond darkworking or stagnate. The former has a charisma and confidence that's undeniable. At the very least he's very secure in himself and he's probably indistinguishable from any other upstanding member of society. Or maybe he's a rebel fighting for a worthy cause. High level darkworkers are vetted warriors that accomplish great feats by unconditionally trusting themselves and their abilities. Their resolve is unparalleled. Unless they stagnate, in which case they are the stereotypical vision of pure evil.

Lightworkers go through similar phases. They too can become quite evil, though it's unlikely they will remain that way beyond the first level. The danger a high-level, stagnated lightworker runs into is naivety and weakness. The lightworker that's ready to move beyond lightworking is a vetted warrior, much like the high-level darkworker, the difference is that they draw their power from the heights of heaven rather than the depths of their souls.

Both lightworkers and darkworkers are capable of tapping into love and fear. Both of them are capable of good and evil. Both of them can grow or stagnate. Consciousness determines the quality of one's chosen path. The darkworker that understands that he can best serve himself by serving others has grown. He's become more aware of the world within him and the world around him. He has a better understanding of cause and effect. He'll use that knowledge to his highest good and thus to the highest good of all. The lightworker that understands that he needs to take care of himself before he can serve others is also growing. He will use his knowledge to the highest good of all and then benefit himself.

The ones who stagnate never understand those principles. They simply become a stereotype. Their vision of light and dark is too rigid and they eschew truth in order to abide by a static image. In other words, the darkworker most likely to become pure evil is the darkworker that thinks it's what he's supposed to do, even if deep down he knows his true desires can't be fulfilled by that path. The lightworker who becomes weak and naive is the one who believes pure pacifism is the only righteous path, or that checking to see if someone has ulterior motives somehow violates the principles of unconditional love. Either way these people polarize because it's what they're supposed to do, so while their path is a conscious choice the result is a deeper slumber.

[Jonathan Browne]

I think ya'll got it twisted. Higher level darkworkers do more killing than lower level darkworkers. Unless your using some subjective measure for the conciousness level of a darkworker. Objectively though, people like dictators, criminal leaders, ceos of destructive and irresponsible companies etc. are definitly more effective at satifying their desires, which is the goal of a darkworker.

Now ultimately, it's always more effective and sustainable to be a "high level" lightworker than a high level darkworker. This doesn't stop darkworkers from becoming ruthlessly effecient at what they are doing. It's easier to make all kinds of theories about these types of people when you haven't been around them. I've dealt drugs and been a thief before in my life so I believe I have more of an understanding than your average person.

I don't think lightworking and darkworking as described by steve pavlina are really good models for what most people become anyway. Read puelo cheluos warrior of the light sometime. In my eyes a better model for lightworking and darkworking is when used to describe people who are interested in helping other people but for different reasons and with a different style. A great warrior may have great loyalty toward a cause but could also be quite bloodthirsty and get great pleasure from his conquests. He might travel at night and brandish all kinds of fearsome weapons. I would consider that person a darkworker.

I think using the term darkworker like it's been used gives certain people who are attracted to the night and darker things the idea that they should be as selfish as possible to polarize. I really dont think lightworking and darkworking should be about helping people vs. helping yourself.

[Eric Revelin]

Yes, I think we're splitting hairs at this point. You know, what's really interesting is that despite all I've posted here I don't value labels.

It seems the real point is that darkness and light are subject to personal definition. I see shades of light and dark, with stages where they intermix or where someone plunges into the void. I think the positive darkworker I described above would fall into a neutral or lightworking category according to Jonathan, but the reason I think of that as darkworking is because it's a very unusual path that one wouldn't be encouraged to take. Everybody loves mother Theresa but somebody who obsessively explores himself and looks into the darkest regions of his own soul is going to be considered a little weird. It's also a social taboo to keep your primary focus on yourself, even if you don't intend to harm anybody. By that definition you're plunging headfirst into the darkness, if only because the path isn't well lit.

I like Steve's model inasmuch as it makes people think about their motivations, but I find it severely lacking. The reason I include that in my definitions at all is because I'm posting on his website and I figure most people are going to be using at least part of that model in their own concepts of darkworking and lightworking. (And this isn't the first time I've heard about the service-to-self and service-to-other paradigms so I doubt this is the first time the darkworker=selfish lightworker=selfless ideals have been presented) In the future, I think it would help if we went to greater lengths to define our own concepts of light and dark before getting too deep into a discussion. It makes it so much more difficult when we're not working on common ground.

In the end I think it's healthiest to realize these are little more than constructs that can be used to further ones growth. If one's conceptualization of darkness isn't evil then it's unlikely he'll be led down a wicked path unless his intention is to be tempted. For instance, one might consider it darkworking to to deny a parent's wish. Let's say he has a decent relationship with his parents but as per usual they can be rather overbearing and they try to guilt him into things he's not comfortable doing, or things that he feels are a waste of time. He takes up his own version of darkworking and finds that it empowers him to say no to those requests while remaining unaffected by unnecessary guilt. All in all, that's empowering and it doesn't do any real harm to anybody. The way I see it that's what this is really all about: finding ways to empower yourself. Lightworkers and darkworkers both want that regardless of the definitions they use. The question is how they'll act in regard to other people.

[Jonathan Browne]

There ya go Eric. I can always side with empowerment as long as your not hurting other people.

As an example of what im talking about some people might call pick up artists dark workers. However, as time has gone on pick up has evolved into the realization that to be a great pick up artist you dont have to manipulate or get woman to do anything they dont want to do (although you can use highly manipulative/destructive techniques to great success in order to get laid. The female will later regret it though).

The realization has revolved around two main points.

1. Woman love penis. The idea that woman love sex as much as men is something mainstream society has tried to surpress as much as possible. Even so a much as to make it so woman will do everything in their power to avoid being labeled as a slut even if they are 'promiscous',

2. You (the seducer) are giving the woman a GIFT. Anotherwords a great pickup artist has a huge belief in himself and his value as a lover and as a source of positive emotion in woman. The idea is to screen out woman that are looking for negative emotion or drama and you will find an abundance of woman who want to feel positive emotion. By creating this positive emotion with your presence and rewarding them for creating positive emotions in you (with touch etc.) you create a feedback loop of arousal and attraction called sexual tension which they will relieve in one of three ways. 1. Lets just be friends 2. Anti slut defense, attempting to create jealousy or some sort of other drama, last minute resistance etc. 3. having sex with you.


The goal of the pickup artist is to create the right conditions for her to choose the third choice, which if she is aroused she already wants. It's all about logistics, social approval etc from the point she feels sexual tension.

These ideas are not negative or self absorbed! Sex is a great pleasure for the female and you are helping her enjoy it without feeling regret or embarassment. However to the larger society they are considered to be "darkworking" if mentioned explicitely.

I mean Steve has gone toward the direction of seeing darkworkers as more of a cancer to society in his recent post than a legitimate path of empowerment.

Maybe we should abandon the labels of lightworker and darkworker altogether and switch to a more expansive approach. I think you can be polarized as either good or evil. and then instead of lightworker vs. darkworker labels I think it's more like Inward worker and Outward worker. An inward worker is more concerned with personal power and self development for his own purposes mainly tending to be concerned with himself and his life. An outward worker wants to serve others and is more concerned about for instance what he can do for his country, rather than what his country can do for him ;-). A good polarized outward worker will starve himself for 40 days like ghandi if he/she believes it will change the world for the better.

A good polarized inward worker will start to treat people better around him because he sees they react better to him, and he simply likes making people feel good. He will start a business because he wants money so he can be independent and have abundance in his life, and it feels great to offer a service or product that other people value.

I'm sure you can imagine what the evil versions of both of these will do. Let's just say an evil outward worker will prob. do a lot of damage to the world around him, if not physically than to the hearts and souls of people he interacts with. An evil inward worker will prolly do things like get heavily involved with drugs because they make him feel good not giving a damn about the pain it causes his friends and family, and then of course doing other evil things to support this habit. Of course it may not be drugs that get him going. It might manipulating woman by lieing to them saying he loves them and then have sex with them, beating them etc.

[Optimiste]

Eric, can someone be extremely empathic and extremely negative darkworker at the same time?

This question popped to my mind when I read your insights. I have always assumed myself inherently lightworker but what if I am inherently darkworker and confused it because of my empathic style.

[Brutha]

Murder and stealing ARE ways of gaining sustainable power.

Having skelletons in your closet is generally no sustainable way to get power.

I think ya'll got it twisted. Higher level darkworkers do more killing than lower level darkworkers. Unless your using some subjective measure for the conciousness level of a darkworker. Objectively though, people like dictators, criminal leaders, ceos of destructive and irresponsible companies etc. are definitly more effective at satifying their desires, which is the goal of a darkworker.

Have you read "The Art of War"?
The ideal way to win is to win by etablishing enough power to be able to do what one wants without any resistence.
Dealing with resistence is ugly and risky. Criminal leaders have a huge risk of getting caught. That's ineffective.

Your not really polarized as a "darkworker" unless your killing people, if not literally than in spirit, in my opinion.

The ability to kill without feeling anything in the process comes with being highly conscious, nonattached to outcomes and living in the present.

Both the lightworker and darkworker can kill. The lightworker would kill to save a lot of people while the darkworker would kill for his own gain.

Maybe we should abandon the labels of lightworker and darkworker altogether and switch to a more expansive approach

Or you could just drop the label that exist in your head and actually use the darkworker label that Steve invented.
It's nothing about being evil.

People think that much in term of good and evil that they don't get the actual question.

However to the larger society they are considered to be "darkworking" if mentioned explicitely.

The larger society doesn't even know the concept of darkworking.
It's a term that Steve made up to describe some behavior that most people who just think about good and evil probably don't understand, as they don't understand much about levels of consciousness either.

It might manipulating woman by lieing to them saying he loves them and then have sex with them, beating them etc.

People who beat other people usually do it because they lose control of the situation.

Tucker Max is a good example of a darkworker. He self labels himself as the greatest ******* in the sense that he does whatever he wants.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Optimiste

Eric, can someone be extremely empathic and extremely negative darkower at the same time?

This question popped to my mind when I read your insights. I have always assumed myself inherently lightworker but what if I am inherently darkworker and confused it because of my empathic style.

I would think one would counter the other. The negative darkworker would either drive himself to psychopathy to rid himself of empathetic tendencies or the empathetic nature would lead to a less destructive style of darkworking.

Another point about sustainability: going off the deep end of negativity will utterly destroy the person who does it. It yields an extremely high amount of power but it's a destructive force that can't be consciously directed. It's like a rifle with such a powerful kickback that it tears your arm off when you fire it.

Also, Steve didn't invent the term lightworker and I'm fairly sure he didn't invent darkworking either. He's laid out his perspective on polarity, and I think it's fairly accurate to how many people perceive polarity, but his perspective wasn't the only one even before he wrote that article.

[Brutha]

Also, Steve didn't invent the term lightworker and I'm fairly sure he didn't invent darkworking either.

There were no google hits for the word darkworker before Steve wrote his articles about the topic (or a few dozens but those used the word completly differently).
The concept of polarity is a bit older but the term didn't exist before.