New Darkworker...Need Help

[Akashic_Librarian]

Alot of people really don't understand Darkworking and Lightworking do they?

I have said this before, and I guess I am gonn say it again, Does anyone actually read Steves Articles all the way through? Because it seems that most people who have given an opinion here have read as far as Lightworker = Selfless, Darkworker = selfish and pretty much formed pompous, arrogant statements (Jonathan Browne particularly) aimed at usually the Darkworker idea because as we all know Lightworkers are much higher up in consciousness aren't they...

I, as an aspiring Darkworker, find it quite disconcerting that so many so-called "smart" people have such an immature and baseless preconcieved notion as to what Polarity is and what it entails.

A lightworker is simply a person who does what's best for the Greater Good and will constantly think in terms of How will this help others, or how will this allow me to help others.

A Darkworker is someone who does what's best for Himself, they constantly think in terms of What is best for me? How will this help me?

A Lightworker is NOT an Angelic being soaring on the highest levels of consciousness spreading unconditional love to all and seeing the world from a top-down approach. Lightworking is often linked with the Right-Hand path, this can be so and usually is, but you can still get Atheist lightworkers, as all being part of the same consciousness or Force is not a belief in God its a simple observation, its not baseless, but rather based on personal experience (the only real truth as any Decartian philosopher will tell you)

A Darkworker is NOT (listen up Jonathan Browne) an evil, demoniacal sadist who enjoys killing others, stealing from everyone for petty (sometimes NOT petty) cash, and generally corrupting the world around them like a social cancer (in the words of Anton LaVey). Rather a Darkworker is one who lives for their own pleasure, now I don't know about you but it would be pleasurable to have less crime in my town, and indeed everywhere I should deem to go in the future, so as far as I am concerned it is totally within the Darkworker ethic to help others to lower crime. Should it ever serve me to increase the levels of crime then so be it, but I find that situation hard to fathom.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by darkw0rker

Hey all,

This darkworking stuff has just gave me so much power lately. I feel like I have always been a real darkworker, but pretending to be a lightworker because of social and cultural brainwashing.

But I have a very important question. I have made a choice to commit 100% to become a darkworker. But recently, I am studying philosophy in university and I wanted to become a professor. They way I see it, I want knowledge. And by becoming a professor I surely gain some power. But I'm afraid that being a professor has some light into it. Please help me to figure this out. Thanks.

If it is so, then what would a darkworker do with a passion in philosophy?

P.S.

Do we have darkworker philosophers? Perhaps Nietzsche was one of them? Can I become a darkworker philosopher too?

First of all, be glad you have a passion. A lot of people do not know what their passions are into their 30s and 40s.

Secondly, there ARE darkworker philosophers:

Read The Ego and Its Own by Max Stirner
Read Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard
Read Anthem by Ayn Rand
Or yes, The Antichrist by Nietzche

I am a darkworker, yet I dispense advice. I do it because of what it does to ME to reflect.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Alot of people really don't understand Darkworking and Lightworking do they?

I have said this before, and I guess I am gonn say it again, Does anyone actually read Steves Articles all the way through? Because it seems that most people who have given an opinion here have read as far as Lightworker = Selfless, Darkworker = selfish and pretty much formed pompous, arrogant statements (Jonathan Browne particularly) aimed at usually the Darkworker idea because as we all know Lightworkers are much higher up in consciousness aren't they...

I, as an aspiring Darkworker, find it quite disconcerting that so many so-called "smart" people have such an immature and baseless preconcieved notion as to what Polarity is and what it entails.

A lightworker is simply a person who does what's best for the Greater Good and will constantly think in terms of How will this help others, or how will this allow me to help others.

A Darkworker is someone who does what's best for Himself, they constantly think in terms of What is best for me? How will this help me?

A Lightworker is NOT an Angelic being soaring on the highest levels of consciousness spreading unconditional love to all and seeing the world from a top-down approach. Lightworking is often linked with the Right-Hand path, this can be so and usually is, but you can still get Atheist lightworkers, as all being part of the same consciousness or Force is not a belief in God its a simple observation, its not baseless, but rather based on personal experience (the only real truth as any Decartian philosopher will tell you)

A Darkworker is NOT (listen up Jonathan Browne) an evil, demoniacal sadist who enjoys killing others, stealing from everyone for petty (sometimes NOT petty) cash, and generally corrupting the world around them like a social cancer (in the words of Anton LaVey). Rather a Darkworker is one who lives for their own pleasure, now I don't know about you but it would be pleasurable to have less crime in my town, and indeed everywhere I should deem to go in the future, so as far as I am concerned it is totally within the Darkworker ethic to help others to lower crime. Should it ever serve me to increase the levels of crime then so be it, but I find that situation hard to fathom.

I am a darkworker. Yes, I am completely selfish. I strive towards selfishness because I need extreme stimulation to succeed and I have taken enough lessons from the universe that tell me that I deserve to be self-concerned at this stage in life. I have MORE than earned it. I know my reasons. That's all that COUNTS. I love me and I do anything I can for me.

I agree with what you said about lightworkers. A lot of so-called lightworkers are actually non-polarized. I personally can't fathom every move in life being toward the greater good. Checking e-mail for humanity?

I AM an evil, demoniacal sadist.

"This is the new age. Hail empire!
This is the new age. Hail Satan!
This is the age of lust and dark desire,
This is the age of anger...the age of ire!
Burn! Burn baby burn burn! Burn!
Burn baby burn burn! Burn!
Burn baby burn burn! Burn!
Burn baby burn!" -Electric Hellfire Club

I routinely have dreams about being a sexy Queen of Hell that whips and tortures souls on Hell's 6th circle. I implant this deliberately. I do not even believe in hell, therefore I do not think I will be judged for my earthly delusions. I use fantasy and extreme imagery to stimulate my mind and "soul" into vigilant action. It could be something as simple as losing weight to have the sexy Queen of Hell look. Even a 10% jump in activity makes life way more enjoyable.

I do not kill or steal, well...we all do. For example, I eat animals and thrive off of cheap labor such as custodians or third-world clothing manufacturers. But I do not break laws, because they are not purposeful towards the self and they are not lucrative. Also, they will lead to jail, which is incredibly foolish.

I don't know Anton LaVey to have ever said anything like that. I am a Satanist and therefore do not even smoke weed or jaywalk because of the legality. It is brilliant because the highest "moral" cause is SELF-PRESERVATION.

"Stupidity doesn't kill you, but it makes you sweat" -Haitian proverb

I wonder, why do you care what others think about darkworkers? Maybe you should read The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. Carefully follow everything mentioned about Howard Roark or anything he says. I WANT people to think I'm evil. It will help stimulate me. I do not think about others and therefore do not normally expect them to think about me. Them accusing me of being evil or sadistic would be a special treat.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by darkw0rker

Well said Eric.

And that's why darkworking and lightworking is essentially the same path. Because in the long run you realize:

1- If you want to do the best for everyone, you have to do the best for yourself

2- If you want to do the best for yourself, you have to do the best for everyone

By the way I believe that these terms are misguiding and inappropriate. The term lightworker reminds us of 'GOOD' subconsciously, and the term darkworker reminds us of 'EVIL' subconsciously.

What I call them is Peopleworker and Selfworker.

The lightworker should be called peopleworker since he cares most about people. The darkworker should be called selfworker who wants the best for himself or herself.

Originally Posted by Jonathan Browne

I think ya'll got it twisted. Higher level darkworkers do more killing than lower level darkworkers. Unless your using some subjective measure for the conciousness level of a darkworker. Objectively though, people like dictators, criminal leaders, ceos of destructive and irresponsible companies etc. are definitly more effective at satifying their desires, which is the goal of a darkworker.

Now ultimately, it's always more effective and sustainable to be a "high level" lightworker than a high level darkworker. This doesn't stop darkworkers from becoming ruthlessly effecient at what they are doing. It's easier to make all kinds of theories about these types of people when you haven't been around them. I've dealt drugs and been a thief before in my life so I believe I have more of an understanding than your average person.

I don't think lightworking and darkworking as described by steve pavlina are really good models for what most people become anyway. Read puelo cheluos warrior of the light sometime. In my eyes a better model for lightworking and darkworking is when used to describe people who are interested in helping other people but for different reasons and with a different style. A great warrior may have great loyalty toward a cause but could also be quite bloodthirsty and get great pleasure from his conquests. He might travel at night and brandish all kinds of fearsome weapons. I would consider that person a darkworker.

I think using the term darkworker like it's been used gives certain people who are attracted to the night and darker things the idea that they should be as selfish as possible to polarize. I really dont think lightworking and darkworking should be about helping people vs. helping yourself.

Jonathan Brown I think you have a flawed view of what a darkworker is. To you a darkworker has to take from others to gain such as killing. That is darkworker syndrome. You're thinking in terms of a win-lose/anti-abundancen and nothing good can be gained from this ever. The darkworkers you have mentioned live in Fear of losing. A true darkworker lives with Courage.

This whole concept is about Empowerment. Remember that. A true strong darkworker has no need to take from others to increase his own power. He creates something that will give him power and the side effect is that it can benefit others. Ultimately that is why a darkworker is like God. God never took from us, he created which gave him power but also benefited us. It is Empowerment through Creation.

People are diving on the "lightworker" wagon when they don't know what they are really getting into. Lightworker is about empowering outwards to the world. But how can you empower others when you are powerless yourself?

The way I see everyone should go into a journey of self-empowerment. Acquire knowledge, skills and power. Once you reach the zenith and full potential and you are over-filling with energy, explode it into the world around you. You can finally start thinking about empowering others.
All this time don't do it alone, work with others who have a similar vision to yours (like a mastermind).
Start off as a darkworker and finish your life as a lightworker. That in my opinion is the best option. And remember always think win-win whenever you can.
Just think that the greater cause justifies the actions. Believe in Abundance. Importantly think Big. Think about the Big Picture and Vision.


As for me. I like to think myself as a darkworker. I believe people don't deserve to be helped and those who do are better off than me for me to make any real difference. I have met too many people who are cynical, apathetic and downright scum. I will only spread my effort to those who are seeking it genuinely to improve themselves and the world.

When I'm typing this and spreading my knowledge, its not because I want to help you better understand. I do this because it helps me better self-reflect about polarization and understand more about me and my motives. The bonus is that you perhaps will learn more about yourself. Ultimately though I am empowered.

Do you see how all this is synergistic?

[Cristal Lilly]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Alot of people really don't understand Darkworking and Lightworking do they?

I have said this before, and I guess I am gonn say it again, Does anyone actually read Steves Articles all the way through?
...

*claps*
I didn't quote all of it, but that was one NICE post.

as for the darkworkers and lightworkers, first of all, if you called them pineapple and mango, you wouldn't get so many people trying to polarize it all into good and evil. and naturally, dark just HAS to be evil. and naturally, light will attract the selfrighteous type.

I personally don't believe in this polarisation, it's one part that never stuck with me. I'm a firm believer of balance. (and I don't regard everything steve says as holy scripture).
basically, I'm saying I have no bias on this topic since I'm in the middle. with that said, I can NOT believe the amount of bigotry shown here. especially from the self proclaimed lightworkers. you honestly think judging those who are different as evil selfish cold blooded killers is helping the greater good? acting out of love? helping ANYONE? seriously?
I would give the argument of balance here, but I guess that would be imposing my own philosophy on this whole mess.

[Sanity Panda]

The one reason I dislike darkworkers over lightworkers is because they are more likely to cause destruction intentionally.

A lightworker can cause as much destruction under the guise of benefitting society. I'd call him well intentioned but delusional.

It's like the child who knocks down the orange juice.

The child who did it by accident/thinking it was the right thing to do.
The child who knocked it down on purpose for his own entertainment.

This is the most common arguement.


I'm not saying that all darkworkers will definitely cause destruction, but it bothers me that they wouldn't have any problems with it if it has benefits and no disadvanges. In that manner they are "evil" according to my own morality. I don't look kindly upon hedonists. It's neccessary to be selfish, but I don't view it in a positive light.

I suppose people here might operate with the belief that as darkworkers, the best way to promote themselves is to bring as a high value to the rest of society.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Before I get this post underway can I just point something out? None of us KNOW what the stages of Light and Darkworking are. It is not a widely recognized phenomena, and there are certainly no definitive texts on either subject, not explicitally anyway.

So...back to the point.

A lot of people don't seem to understand this Destruction thing that Darkworkers do. From my initial experience I have only destroyed things internally.

I haven't tried to destroy things externally because there are few situations where external destruction can be a good thing.

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Furthermore I would like people to stop saying Lightworkers are better than Darkworkers. Get your head out from your rectum and come back down from your ivory towers because some of us don't appreciate that kind of snobbish attitude!

Darkworkers are quite capable of love, and we certainly don't enjoy killing. As a rule we don't steal, destroy (without good cause) or rape, maim, pillage etc...etc...

Should another sanctimonious fool try and say Darkworkers are like this I will make sure your argument is logically, coldly and ruthlessly destroyed by any means necessary. Because I DO NOT appreciate that sort of ignorance.

Furthermore I am disgusted that all of the so called lightworkers cannot see the benefits of Darkworking. I make sure that I give the Lightworker view point due consideration, and whilst I am open about how stupid I think it is, I do NOT say it is stupid for everyone because I know tremendous value can be wrought from it. So please, kindly, stop insulting my philosophy with silly preconcieved ideas and come up with some real arguments.

Finally I would like to that whoever suggested Darkworkers should become Lightworkers later in life, well I can't believe you think thats even feasible, you think that someone so far polarised as a Darkworker can just change? Like that! on a whim? This is another prime example of how ignorant people really are here of the polarity concepts Steve highlighted.

very slowly I am becoming rather bitter towards some people on this forum, I hope my opinion is changed soon.

[CroMagna]

Hey don't worry about this Akashic. I was being whimsical and silly with my Electric Hellfire Club quotes and saying I'm evil because evil is "more stimulating". I bet some people thought I was psycho but I just shrug it off and laugh to myself knowingly. I don't worry about what people think.

It's funny to me that people think that darkworkers walk all over other people and are dictators, lying tobacco CEOs, and mobsters. I'm a lil' ole suburban girl. There's no WAY I have that much power. I have no power to walk all over anyone or to use anyone. I can't think of a single example of how I could even go about doing that, even if I wanted to. What would I do, cut someone off in traffic? Yank a customer service person's chains? Refuse to tip a waiter? Wow...some evil. But I don't need to. I don't think about people enough to worry about using them or destroying them. That is what resentful people do and resentful people feel powerless, disenfranchised, and are deeply invested in how society feels about them.

Darkworkers are self-focused. Period. Darkworkers are sometimes people who have no power and were walked on by non-polarized people. They have to be self-focused in order to build themselves back and not be destroyed by others. They may not even be in any position to help others. For a person like that, compulsory lightworking is flat out INHUMANE.

[Sanity Panda]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Before I get this post underway can I just point something out? None of us KNOW what the stages of Light and Darkworking are. It is not a widely recognized phenomena, and there are certainly no definitive texts on either subject, not explicitally anyway.

A lot of people don't seem to understand this Destruction thing that Darkworkers do. From my initial experience I have only destroyed things internally. I haven't tried to destroy things externally because there are few situations where external destruction can be a good thing.

Furthermore I would like people to stop saying Lightworkers are better than Darkworkers. Get your head out from your rectum and come back down from your ivory towers because some of us don't appreciate that kind of snobbish attitude!

One doesn't need to know the stages to know the intentions of a darkworker/lightworker. All that matters is the intention.

It's not that hard to understand why the intentions of a lightworker are considered more noble than a darkworker.

Lightworker - Working towards the benefit of the whole system.
Darkworker - Working towards self, benefits to the system as a spin off only (They don't really care about the system unless there are benefits)

Don't all people operate on some value system? Otherwise why is rape/harm considered as bad? Helping out others considered good?
Morals may be subjective in this objective world but that doesn't stop people from defining things as good/bad. Most people in this world see greed as a negative trait.

Darkworkers are quite capable of love, and we certainly don't enjoy killing. As a rule we don't steal, destroy (without good cause) or rape, maim, pillage etc...etc...

"As a rule we don't steal" - Yet there are some darkworkers here that acknowledge the only thing that's holding them back is the likely consequences that will hurt them. That basically means if they could get away with it guiltfree - they might not hesitate if it doesn't bring any disadvantage towards them.

On the positive note: There are some darkworkers who would not do so, because they would rather prove themselves as great by playing within the system.

A lightworker would never consider such thing unless they believed that robbing would benefit society as a whole: See Robin Hood. It can be debated whether they were delusional and still considered immoral.

Furthermore I am disgusted that all of the so called lightworkers cannot see the benefits of Darkworking. I make sure that I give the Lightworker view point due consideration, and whilst I am open about how stupid I think it is, I do NOT say it is stupid for everyone because I know tremendous value can be wrought from it.

Someone described LW/DWing:

Basically the system seems to be about gaining self-discipline and motivation from intense focus, it aims to show that you are in fact much more able to shape your own life than you might think, if you manage to find your purpose and concentrate your energies on transforming yourself.

I don't disagree that it will bring results. Merely that darkworking can lead to immoral paths depending on the desire of the darkworker. Obviously a lightworker can too, but it's with a more noble intention.

So please, kindly, stop insulting my philosophy.

Fair enough. Maybe I shouldn't care since there is no objective moralism in this world.

All I can say now is best of luck with this model.

[Sanity Panda]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

It's funny to me that people think that darkworkers walk all over other people and are dictators, lying tobacco CEOs, and mobsters. I'm a lil' ole suburban girl. There's no WAY I have that much power. I have no power to walk all over anyone or to use anyone. I can't think of a single example of how I could even go about doing that, even if I wanted to. What would I do, cut someone off in traffic? Yank a customer service person's chains? Refuse to tip a waiter? Wow...some evil. But I don't need to. I don't think about people enough to worry about using them or destroying them. That is what resentful people do and resentful people feel powerless, disenfranchised, and are deeply invested in how society feels about them.

It's not about the results. It's the intentions that a darkworker may consider entertaining that can be/seems disturbing.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Ah however! Darkworkers might NOT kill if they feel bad about it, even if they didn't have to suffer consequences, because it would be better for them if they didn't. Do you see?

Darkworking is a far more free path to follow, it allows the user to make up their own idea of what is good and bad.

Lightworking, in my opinion is good, only if you subscribe to that philosophy. You aren't free to choose within though, what is good and bad.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Cristal Lilly

*claps*
I didn't quote all of it, but that was one NICE post.

as for the darkworkers and lightworkers, first of all, if you called them pineapple and mango, you wouldn't get so many people trying to polarize it all into good and evil. and naturally, dark just HAS to be evil. and naturally, light will attract the selfrighteous type.

I personally don't believe in this polarisation, it's one part that never stuck with me. I'm a firm believer of balance. (and I don't regard everything steve says as holy scripture).
basically, I'm saying I have no bias on this topic since I'm in the middle. with that said, I can NOT believe the amount of bigotry shown here. especially from the self proclaimed lightworkers. you honestly think judging those who are different as evil selfish cold blooded killers is helping the greater good? acting out of love? helping ANYONE? seriously?
I would give the argument of balance here, but I guess that would be imposing my own philosophy on this whole mess.

By balance do you mean taking some and giving back and so on?

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Finally I would like to that whoever suggested Darkworkers should become Lightworkers later in life, well I can't believe you think thats even feasible, you think that someone so far polarised as a Darkworker can just change? Like that! on a whim? This is another prime example of how ignorant people really are here of the polarity concepts Steve highlighted.

very slowly I am becoming rather bitter towards some people on this forum, I hope my opinion is changed soon.

What I meant was this; Giving feels good. It is a well know fact that when you give you feel good about yourself. And as a darkworker when you give selflessly it can benefit your emotions and ego tremendously. If you believe in God or Karma then thats an added bonus because you benefit in the afterlife.
When you stop thinking about "little me" and start thinking big and grandeur you then really empower yourself to do great feats. That benefits you but also it benefits the world. You spread your legacy. I guess thats when you reach the twilight zone.

[Sanity Panda]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

What I meant was this; Giving feels good. It is a well know fact that when you give you feel good about yourself. And as a darkworker when you give selflessly it can benefit your emotions and ego tremendously. If you believe in God or Karma then thats an added bonus because you benefit in the afterlife.
When you stop thinking about "little me" and start thinking big and grandeur you then really empower yourself to do great feats. That benefits you but also it benefits the world. You spread your legacy. I guess thats when you reach the twilight zone.

It's the idea that giving feels good. Which is the reason that most people have darkworking natures(note: not are darkworkers) within them. Even if the person does not consciously acknowledge it.

A darkworker planning to switch to lightworking is simply a lightworker who justifies working intensely on himself first to benefit the greater society.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Sanity Panda

It's the idea that giving feels good. Which is the reason that most people have darkworking natures(note: not are darkworkers) within them. Even if the person does not consciously acknowledge it.

A darkworker planning to switch to lightworking is simply a lightworker who justifies working intensely on himself first to benefit the greater society.

I guess the two philosophies are so similar together I have difficulty differentiating the two.

The darkworker has both appealing and unappealing traits for. I like the idea of self-empowerment but on the other hand it looks like a very lonely path where you don't see people as people but objects. Maybe I'm just a darkworker who wants many friends or a lightworker who believes in vigorous self improvement.

[Akashic_Librarian]

I love the idea of loneliness. It excites me actually. Further more...Projectx..."Little me"? I consider myself the greatest part of my reality. I am God in this life. A God unto myself. How can I get grander than that?

[Sanity Panda]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Ah however! Darkworkers might NOT kill if they feel bad about it, even if they didn't have to suffer consequences, because it would be better for them if they didn't. Do you see?

Darkworking is a far more free path to follow, it allows the user to make up their own idea of what is good and bad.

Lightworking, in my opinion is good, only if you subscribe to that philosophy. You aren't free to choose within though, what is good and bad.

It's rather amusing that I'm trying to refer to dungeons and dragon.

Darkworking = Pure Neutral
Lightworking = Mostly lawful/neutral good. Occasionally we get chaotic good.

Its the reason I mentioned that that darkworkers need to be guilt free. Guilt is a emotion that hinders us from engaging in activities.

Although most of this guilt is built from social conditioning of society on what is wrong/right. Yet at the same time some darkworkers adopt the belief "I don't need to concern myself with what other deem as right/wrong."

[Sanity Panda]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

I guess the two philosophies are so similar together I have difficulty differentiating the two.

The darkworker has both appealing and unappealing traits for. I like the idea of self-empowerment but on the other hand it looks like a very lonely path where you don't see people as people but objects. Maybe I'm just a darkworker who wants many friends or a lightworker who believes in vigorous self improvement.

Here's a simple question.
What do you think of idea of unconditional love?

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

I love the idea of loneliness. It excites me actually. Further more...Projectx..."Little me"? I consider myself the greatest part of my reality. I am God in this life. A God unto myself. How can I get grander than that?

Ok. But do you agree that darkworkers can still have a small inner circle of people of whom they care about and it brings them joy to see those people happy?

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

What I meant was this; Giving feels good. It is a well know fact that when you give you feel good about yourself. And as a darkworker when you give selflessly it can benefit your emotions and ego tremendously. If you believe in God or Karma then thats an added bonus because you benefit in the afterlife.

Darkworker: can give to others because it feels good to him, and thus he is ultimately serving himself.
Lightworker: has to give to others, even if he doesn't get much joy out of it.

Here is a fact: it will not always be in your best interest, short term and long term, to be giving. You will be put in situations where you have the choice between giving and not giving, and a darkworker will choose the option that provides the greatest benefit for himself. A lightworker will decide whether or not to give based on if it will ultimately serve the greatest good. He may decide not to give, in which one reason might be that it will deplete him of too much energy and well-being, which will ultimately lessen his contribution in other altruistic endeavors.

A darkworker might be someone that "gives" all the time. If that kind of action is something that benefits him the most, then he is doing great as a darkworker.

Giving does not equal lightworking, in my understanding.
Therefor, a darkworker does not need to shift his polarity in order to give. As you outlined yourself: self-empowerment is the ultimate goal and benefit that you are listing.

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Hey I'm a world-class artist whos music gets distributed worldwide... Oops, I get very good sales for my records and sell out arena shows, maybe I'm giving too much? I should watch myself before I slip over into the other part of the spectrum... even though I'm ultimately doing all of this for my own benefit, and all the appreciation of me is just a side-effect. I must surely watch myself so that I don't do something that on a superficial level seems like selfless acts because, after all, I am more worried about not being percieved as a textbook darkworker than actually serving myself...

Originally Posted by ProjectX

When you stop thinking about "little me" and start thinking big and grandeur you then really empower yourself to do great feats. That benefits you but also it benefits the world. You spread your legacy. I guess thats when you reach the twilight zone.

You poor thing... Do you really see yourself as "little me"? You are not little, you are actually the most important person in your life, due to the fact that you are the one person that you are always hanging around with. Akashic put it beautifully:

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

I love the idea of loneliness. It excites me actually. Further more...Projectx..."Little me"? I consider myself the greatest part of my reality. I am God in this life. A God unto myself. How can I get grander than that?

Originally Posted by ProjectX

I guess the two philosophies are so similar together I have difficulty differentiating the two.

The darkworker has both appealing and unappealing traits for. I like the idea of self-empowerment but on the other hand it looks like a very lonely path where you don't see people as people but objects. Maybe I'm just a darkworker who wants many friends or a lightworker who believes in vigorous self improvement.

It seems that most people have been reaffirming the fact that it is about intentions... but people still feel like labeling it with leading a specific kind of lifestyle.



I'm totally onboard with Akashic's post #37. Even though I'm not very knowledgable with this, so I could be wrong, but people seem to constantly jump to unfounded conclusions about what light- and darkworking is. It is understandable for things like this to happen, but IMO it has become a bit excessive.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Elrond

Darkworker: can give to others because it feels good to him, and thus he is ultimately serving himself.
Lightworker: has to give to others, even if he doesn't get much joy out of it.

Here is a fact: it will not always be in your best interest, short term and long term, to be giving. You will be put in situations where you have the choice between giving and not giving, and a darkworker will choose the option that provides the greatest benefit for himself. A lightworker will decide whether or not to give based on if it will ultimately serve the greatest good. He may decide not to give, in which one reason might be that it will deplete him of too much energy and well-being, which will ultimately lessen his contribution in other altruistic endeavors.

A darkworker might be someone that "gives" all the time. If that kind of action is something that benefits him the most, then he is doing great as a darkworker.

Giving does not equal lightworking, in my understanding.
Therefor, a darkworker does not need to shift his polarity in order to give. As you outlined yourself: self-empowerment is the ultimate goal and benefit that you are listing.

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Hey I'm a world-class artist whos music gets distributed worldwide... Oops, I get very good sales for my records and sell out arena shows, maybe I'm giving too much? I should watch myself before I slip over into the other part of the spectrum... even though I'm ultimately doing all of this for my own benefit, and all the appreciation of me is just a side-effect. I must surely watch myself so that I don't do something that on a superficial level seems like selfless acts because, after all, I am more worried about not being percieved as a textbook darkworker than actually serving myself...




You poor thing... Do you really see yourself as "little me"? You are not little, you are actually the most important person in your life, due to the fact that you are the one person that you are always hanging around with. Akashic put it beautifully:





It seems that most people have been reaffirming the fact that it is about intentions... but people still feel like labeling it with leading a specific kind of lifestyle.



I'm totally onboard with Akashic's post #37. Even though I'm not very knowledgable with this, so I could be wrong, but people seem to constantly jump to unfounded conclusions about what light- and darkworking is. It is understandable for things like this to happen, but IMO it has become a bit excessive.

I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding. From how Akashic explained it, it felt over introverted even for an introvert like me.
I think I understand the concept more. A darkworker has the ability to not see himself as a "me" but a person. He is able to visualize in third person very well. Thus any detachment from emotion and so forth. Ok I get.

But I also believe darkworking isn't about take and win. If you look at any successful company and salesperson you can see that they emphasize a lot and put the happiness of their customers high up. The win-win strategy is based on irrefutable logic. However a darkworker does not help others when he doesn't see any benefit from it. He is not being cruel or taking anything away. He is simply not interfering, like an isolationist.