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I'm testing out this darkworker theory but things keep happening that make wonder if I've even gotten past the gate. Like I'll listen to my mom's boring stories or I'll say please and thank you to strangers. I know darkworkers aren't necessarily mean, but they do everything for themselves. What's in it for me? Am I doing these things for myself ultimately? I don't want to have to over-analyze every move I make to make sure it was ultimately self-driven. Is there a shorthand way of knowing if you are in fact a darkworker? Especially for someone who's prone to doubting things?
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You are a darkworker (or a lightworker) when you decide to be one. It's a matter of conscious choice. It's not something that you discover about yourself, it's something that you decide about yourself. At the beginning you'll have to look at every single decision you make and ask yourself what your intention is. Then you consciously choose what to do according to the polarity you chose. If the intention wasn't aligned with your polarity, you'll have to correct the course. It's all about living very, very consciously. Of course this implies that you have to be very clear about what you want. Are you sure you want to be a darkworker?
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CroMagna, how do you see yourself living your ideal life? Put aside the question of dark- or light-worker for the moment and tell me, if you will, what would it look like if you were living a life you were absolutely head-over-heels in love with? What would you do when first wake up in the morning? What will your environment look like? Who will be there? How will you feel, and what will you want to talk to them about? What qualities will you be generating for yourself, for your mate or friends, and for the world? What will be the most prevalent emotion in your life?
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I would be a millionaire I would be a Church of Satan Magistra I would have an interesting job I would be married to my boyfriend and he would financially stable My mom would be financially stable and well adjusted In the morning, I would lounge around in a robe and slippers I would have a nice spacious house I will feel a sense of inner peace I will have mindfulness or lack of negative attacking thoughts I would feel a sense of vindication for the societal mistreatment, like the situation was rectified I would be respected, even feared by my enemies | |
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Now, looking over your list, can you see a trend? How does the balance here look to you between darkworker and lightworker? It looks to me like you've already polarized; you're just pussyfootin' around making a bold declaration. You know it's going to take a dynamic willfulness to achieve the things you want to achieve, not a pussyfooter. If I'm right about that, what do you think is holding you back from making that bold declaration? |
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Per your insight, I decided to declare to myself that I am a darkworker. | |
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i suppose it should have been obvious, i've heard of lightworkers for ages. even considered myself one because it's a very engraciating self image). frankly though, i think it's another false dichotomy, a duality trap. the facade of altruism for example, why does it have to be so this way or that way? right hand path, left hand path. do all roads not lead to rome?! (as the old saying goes) i'm sorry if this is going to come across overly "atman is brahman", but that's what it is! what you do to serve your own interests, if they truly serve your own interests, then they truly serve everyone's interests. and the more obvious one which will likely bring many a "darkworker" into the fold (especially these days i find) is that if what you do is a boon for everyone, you yourself as a member of "everyone", are also served. if there's some folks still stumbling about early on their spiritual paths making those seperationist mistakes, then surely they'll learn from it soon enough right? i mean, you can only get away with so many lies and thefts and backstabbings and machivelian behaviour before you realise karma is real, right? even without the eventual realisation, it's got a whole "what doesnt kill you makes you stronger" feel to it. spiritual growth through challenge and yes, even adversity. and what of those who've dabbled in arts to get passed karma? same thing. it snaps back at some point. there's no cheating it. even black holes eventually pop (Quazars, right? help me out with my astro physics incase i'm wrong anyone). all may not be right with this world, but all is well. (...or so i read in the 11:11 progress group mailing list). this whole topic was something that frustrated me for a while, like there was this truth i wasnt acknowledging and the attempts to merge this lightworker / darkworker duality into my consciousness were so uncomfortably jarring. i guess hanging around with alot of people into death metal at the time had something to do with the forcing out of this revelation. also... the whole work thing... i know there's a popular indoctrination going around that work is such a great thing and that you're weird, and somehow inferior if you don't embrace it... but i looked up many definitions of the word "work". it very commonly implies progress through struggle. now i'm all for progress (of sorts), but struggle? what if there were a way you could achieve the same results, without the struggle. including what you learn from the experience. wouldnt that be a "better" way? get there in a jiffy. or faster! get there in a quanta! "man was not put here to toil in the mud" as i recall Terrence McKenna saying. so, since someone early on in this thread said it's a conscious choice... rather than opt for either or, light or dark.... rather than work.... ...i'll choose... whole being. | |
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Digit, I lean toward agreeing with you although I am nowhere near "whole" or "enlightened" or anything of that sort. From the non-dualist perspective, the lightworker/darkworker dichotomy is just another false creation of the ego. And it even seems, dare I say, silly? I see some of the kids in this forum saying they're "gonna be a darkworker" like they're trying out a new character in some fantasy RPG video game or something. Now reality might not actually be "real." It might not be objective. But it ain't World of Warcraft. Last edited by schola; 06-26-2008 at 04:43 AM. |
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I personally think, that the light/dark - workers concept is just another "lens", a tool in your toolbox. I don't think it's useful for me in long-term approach. (Why would I want to separate myself from others in such an ugly way? Helping myself, I help others, and visa versa. Other people are happy with me being happy. And I'm happy to see happy people around me). But as a short-term approach it works, making you more conscious in your decisions/actions. | |
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CroMagna, I'm looking forward to seeing how you'll be doing! For me, the light/darkworker thing is not so much about me vs. others, because in order to serve others, I have to make sure I'm happy first, and in order to serve myself, I have to do things for others too sometimes, so the distinction is not that clear. For me it's a matter of energy flow. Does your energy flow inwards or outwards? That's the point. Are you here to give, to create, to put something out of yourself and into the world? Or is your intention to take, to pull, to use what's in the world for yourself? Again, not the action is relevant, but the intention behind the action. Like, you can be nice to someone because you love them so much that you just have to express it (outwards flow intention). You can be just as nice to someone because you secretly feel needy and hope to get some love back this way (inwards flow intention). The action itself, being nice to someone, has no polarity on its own, but the intention behind it has.
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Rose, I overgrew this entire concept. We're all energy, flowing in one great circular direction. You're me. And I'm you. I want to be a lightworker AND a darkworker, if you still need these labels (although it seems impossible through that lens). Free spirit doesn't need any names. Read Eckhart Tolle and practice it - remember your advice? Your ego needs separation. Your ego needs those labels. Your spirit doesn't. You're already perfect. "Are you here to give, to create, to put something out of yourself and into the world? Or is your intention to take, to pull, to use what's in the world for yourself?" You're constantly give AND receive. You breathe in and breathe out. It's impossible to breathe in only - you'll explode. "Like, you can be nice to someone because you love them so much that you just have to express it (outwards flow intention). " Read this again. "You, you, you" (which means - "I"). And we're talking about "someone". If you consider "true" lightworker's point of view, it should be "someone, someone, someone". Like "I don't like _someone_ as a person, that _someone_ is an alcoholic with bad manners and dirty tongue. But _someone_ needs me! Needs my help, love and support. It's my duty to give it to _someone_! " But here.... It is _your_ problem you love those "someone". It is _you_ who need to express _your_ love. Although "someone" might not need your love at all... I've experienced this many times. But you still express it. So, serving "someone", you're actually serving _yourself_. And that's what we call "a darkworker". |
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When you're a lightworker, you focus on breathing out. You will breathe in too, you will get energy back from the universe in various forms, but it will happen automatically while you're still focusing on the outwards flow: expressing love or other values, giving support, creating things. As a darkworker, you concentrate on breathing in. You search to gain power and get what you want. In return you will give value back to the world, you just won't focus on that because you'll be busy with your inwards oriented plans. We all give and receive. Polarizing means consciously focusing only on one part of the exchange. Quote:
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I don't think it's my duty to help, love and support every person who needs it. First, duty is related to control and has nothing to do with love, in my eyes. Second, helping this person might not be the smartest choice. I could have other things to do that are more important when I keep the best interest of all in mind. A lightworker's focus is not so much the well being of others as individuals no matter what, it's the well being of the whole system. This is just my personal opinion of course. But we're really getting off-topic here... let's not derail the thread.
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Your goals are to be a millionaire and to be a Magister in the Church of Satan? Well, if you achieve the first, it will be very easy to achieve the second. Indeed, if you just have a discretionary $1000 to spend you will be able to achieve it, since advancement in the Church of Satan is all about purchasing expensive pieces of paper. If you are a millionaire all of the other members will kiss your ass, since you will be the richest person they know, and they are all easily impressed by wealth. You can probably even buy the Church itself with that kind of money. The only person in the COS who ever made any real dough was Anton himself, and even he died in a Catholic charity hospital, so things must have gone steeply downhill in the end. I think it worked out in the beginning because of his hit book, which in my opinion is very poorly written and devoid of any interesting ideas. It took small pages, large type and lots of spaces between the lines to stretch it out into a book-length manuscript. But some people were impressed with it, I guess! Some of the leadership have been very effective at producing the illusion of their own grandeur, which is how they convince others that their lifestyle and philosophy is something worth emulating. Like any religion it thrives on the credulity of its laity. But if you're even going to bother trying to develop yourself or advance financially you should certainly aim for something better than this. Oh yeah, and being able to strike fear in the heart of your enemies can useful in a pinch (like when someone tries to mug you in a dark alley), but it's better to be so successful and busy doing important things that you can't be bothered to think about your enemies for even 5 seconds. |
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To be honest, Rose, it seems, that you've made yourself a "workers" religion, as you're too attached to the concept. It is great that you like it and get results. It is great also, that I don't like it (I'd even call it B.S., please don't start a holy war against me Quote:
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If you want to serve - do it silently and naturally, as you breathe. The sun shines for everyone, not for the chosen ones. Alas, the very first things many newborn lightworkers do - is that they trumpet loudly about their "lightworkingness"... and my ears are already tired. So, any of brand new "servants of light", my words are for you: stop talking. Stop pretending. Do something already. Get yourself busy. Let your actions and results see if you're a lightworker indeed. Oh, sorry, I forgot. It's not about actions and results... it's about thinking and talking. Now I understand why I dismiss this whole concept as useless. Thanks everyone. Quote:
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Well I do "breathing exercises" in the literal way as I practice yoga. But there is no exercise where you focus only on breathing in or breathing out. You always focus on both the whole process of breathing. There are different exercises that is true, there are different ways to breath in and out. But you always focus on both on the whole thing. Breathing is in fact a natural thing that we do automatic we don't think about it. But if because of many reasons people sometimes people forget how to breath really naturally, like a baby does. The way you stand up or sit down, certain tension and stress that can really be caused by anything may result into a way of breathing that doesn't use the full capacity of your lungs anymore. You get less oxygen and that results in less energy. So in the literal way to keep your energy high it seems that it is important to focus on your whole breathing process breathing in and breathing out as well. The exercises are only a way to help you to go back to a very basic need to breath efficient. The exercises are not a must, but can help some of us. Now I wonder why the "mental breathing" would operate different from the physical breathing. Our body and mind or should I call it spirit are one, so I guess that the same rules for both. Your focus has to be on the complete process, not only on a part of it. Now my experience is that if you exercise on the "physical part of breathing" you become more conscious about that physical aspect...add the yoga postures to your program and you become more conscious how you use the rest of your body. And if I wanted it or not, automatic the "mental breathing" not only breathing in and breathing out starts to change as well. I am not promoting Yoga or breathing exercises or I will never say that people have to do so. Not everybody got drifted away that far of "natural breathing" that they are in need of some exercises. But I think the "light or dark worker" can't be explained or compared to breathing, as I believe to breath well physical or mental you need to be focused on both. Breathing is a process that doesn't work well if you just focus on one part of the cycle. | |
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It sounds to me like you are feeling pressured into doing it. If it's the case, I'm sorry about that, this wasn't my intention. I asked because last time we talked about it many months ago, you seemed to be very eager to embrace lightworking. So I was surprised that you changed your mind. I asked out of curiosity, not as a way to tell you that you should do it. I certainly don't mean to push anyone to polarize. The reason I talked about it in this thread is that CroMagna wants to polarize, and to talk about it.
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I think, we came to the answer. How do you know if you're a darkworker or lightworker? If you spend most of time thinking about getting - you can consider yourself a darkworker. If you think about giving - you're a lightworker. But for me personally this is just a mind's tool, an artificial construction, which sometimes can be useful, and sometimes - not. You always serve the greater good, no matter how you play the game of life. Alliance, or Horde - Blizzard will receive your money in any case | |
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For me personally it's not an artificial construction, because I'm all about feeling, and these choices feel concretely different for me. They are more than something intellectual. But if that's the case for you, and if you don't find them useful, just don't use them.
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As you remember, for me that choice became very-very disempowering. It ruined my entire life. It got worse and worse. I lost my gained PD results, and even started to degradate. So where is the problem? I beleive it is "Not the right set of tools, not the right time to use it". As I realized it, and chose other brand-new tools, my life started to improve tremendously. I recovered completely, at the whole new level. For instance, the set of tools is "Live by the laws of Great Spirit and Nature" (I surely lived against these laws... and when I say "live" I mean "act", not "talk" or "think"). I hope I've explained why I "changed my mind". As for CroMagna - yes, I strongly beleive, that "darkworker concept" is a perfect match for her (or, sorry, for you, CroMagna Calimero - B.S. means (sorry people, moderators don't kill me) "bullshit" | |
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(I'd like to add to my previous post. "Lightworker" concept was not really disempowering itself. But it was really limiting belief, and thus, disempowering.) | |
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Rose tries to compare the concept to breathing and that doesn't match for me as I see breathing as process that needs to be held as one whole thing to be focused on to make it work good. But even Steve's way of comparing people to cells doesn't work to explain what it is really about. He explains that the lightworkers are like the immune system of the body of humanity. And that at this moment the lightworkers are rising because the body of humanity is ill. He uses the examples that we would be individual cells. Now the body contains more than cells and needs more than only cells. And so he sees the lightworkers like the white blood cells that defend the body. Now white blood cells can defend the body, but only against bacteria so other living cells that intrude the body but that were never part of the body nor produced by the body. So I wonder who are the bacteria? The darkworker is described as " cancer cells" . So they are not the bacteria, they are part of the body produced by the body. But white blood cells can't cure the body from cancer, if it would be the case everybody could cure from cancer. Now from the explanation it sounds as if it is a must to chose to become cancer or a white blood cell. Why would we do that. The white blood cell can't cure the cancer, and the cancer would bring down the body and so cancer cells die the day to body dies. And even if suddenly massively more blood cells would appear...it becomes a form of cancer as well.... And a body contains a very large diversity of cells with all different tasks to accomplish. If all cells would decide to give up their former function...being a muscle cell, or a lung cell, or a red blood cell, or a liver cell....and turn themselves into white blood cells....the body would die as well. So if you follow the analogy of the body and talk about the body of humanity it seems that the definition of darkworker and lightworker is far from complete or clear. As if a body contains only two kinds of cells and that to function well you have to be one of those or you will never be fine. I have the feeling that Erin should help Steve to define it clearer what it is about. Combine forces. Erin is like on the spiritual level helping people to find their purpose. And if we are all cells in the body of humanity, their would be a large diversity of purposes as a body contains cells that do different tasks but mainly all of them are doing their tasks in order to maintain the entire body in a good shape.But cells have to keep themselves in good shape as well in order to reproduce themselves correct and be able to carry out their task as good as possible. Choosing for light or darkworker is no option if we would compare ourselves with cells of a body. On our real cells it is like programmed as info on DNA. When a lot of DNA and info get dammaged, cancer may occur. So in fact if there is cancer in the body of humanity it means that some people don't remember or rather forgot or can't recall, or don't know what their purpose was...or the info got damaged somehow. The cause of the loss of this information in case of human beings I don't know. But in case of cells there are many. And as we reproduce as human beings...just as cells do, we get generations that don't have any info on their purpose in the body of humanity as the info got lost or was never caught in generations before. The causes of the damage or lost info? I don't know. The darkworker can be the result of the loss of information but are not the only reason why the body of humanity gets sick. So the "worker" concept is about finding your purpose if you lost it somehow or you can't find it. But I think their must be a larger scale of workers if you would compare the human body with all of us a cell in it than just sticking two two kinds and a bunch that doesn't know what to do. It is like an insult to the colon cells that remember their task and make it possible for you to digest your food. I think I am a "**** worker". part of the colon of the body of humanity. (just joking) All this to say that there is something missing in the explanation of light and darkwokers concept. Or that the analogy with a body is not the best way to explain it. | |
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Cro - you are what you believe you are. Who's to say differently...and why does it matter? Who do you believe you are? What's at your core? If you are full of fear of being a darkworker, and you're putting lots of energy into that focus...then you'll likely become a darkworker before you realize it.
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