How do you know if you're a darkworker or lightworker?

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Calimero

Rose tries to compare the concept to breathing and that doesn't match for me as I see breathing as process that needs to be held as one whole thing to be focused on to make it work good.

Just for the record, I'm not the one who compared the concept to breathing. Kazeko said

Originally Posted by Kazeko

You're constantly give AND receive. You breathe in and breathe out. It's impossible to breathe in only - you'll explode.

and that's why I talked about breathing. I thought using his own image would help me explain what I meant to him. I personally wouldn't compare polarization to breathing as when I do breathing exercises I focus on both in and out.

All this to say that there is something missing in the explanation of light and darkwokers concept.

Maybe that's because it's something you cannot explain with words?

I'm all about feeling and that makes it difficult for me to explain things to people who are more visual or auditive. But I personally think it's something you just have to feel. Maybe it would be helpful to

1. pick any action you take
2. imagine what motivations a darkworker would have to do this
3. think this as if it was your thoughts and feel it
4. then imagine why a lightworker would do it
5. think these thoughts and feel how that feels

It's not about intellectually understanding it, it's about feeling it. Feel how the energy flows into you or out of you in that moment. Maybe you'll notice how different it feels. Well I hope so.

Edit: Maybe running this kind of simulation repeatedly for different kinds of actions could be helpful to determine how you want to polarize? Provided that you do want to polarize, that is.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Kazeko

As you remember, for me that choice became very-very disempowering. It ruined my entire life. It got worse and worse. I lost my gained PD results, and even started to degradate. So where is the problem? I beleive it is "Not the right set of tools, not the right time to use it". As I realized it, and chose other brand-new tools, my life started to improve tremendously. I recovered completely, at the whole new level. For instance, the set of tools is "Live by the laws of Great Spirit and Nature" (I surely lived against these laws... and when I say "live" I mean "act", not "talk" or "think").

Wow, that's interesting. May I ask how it ruined your life? How did it get worst? How long did you try it for?

I know when it comes to myself, since I made the decision to be a lightworker almost 11 weeks ago, my life is definitely worst now, my habits are worst, my thoughts, my emotions (I spend much more time dwelling in negative emotions then before), my level of consciousness seems to be worst, my level of contribution seems to be less. I'm not yet ready to give up trying this path since I did have very significant negative events that happened around the same time that really complicated my life, so I can't say for sure these negative results are because of wanting to be a lightworker.

Thus, it's interesting what you've written, so I'd love to hear more about it to see how it compares to my experience.

[Calimero]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Just for the record, I'm not the one who compared the concept to breathing. Kazeko said

Oh I am sorry took the wrong name. And it is worth it to mention it actually.
So the fact that the tool of dark and light worker doesn't fit to Kazeko could be because he tries to compare it to something another concept that is not of the same level at all.
Once more, sorry that I mixed up the names. I will be more focused in the future that it won't happen again.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Wow, that's interesting. May I ask how it ruined your life? How did it get worst? How long did you try it for?

I know when it comes to myself, since I made the decision to be a lightworker almost 11 weeks ago, my life is definitely worst now, my habits are worst, my thoughts, my emotions (I spend much more time dwelling in negative emotions then before), my level of consciousness seems to be worst, my level of contribution seems to be less. I'm not yet ready to give up trying this path since I did have very significant negative events that happened around the same time that really complicated my life, so I can't say for sure these negative results are because of wanting to be a lightworker.

Thus, it's interesting what you've written, so I'd love to hear more about it to see how it compares to my experience.

Perhaps its a transition period? I think if you believe in polarization, lightworking is harder than being a darkworker. Also transitioning from one polarity or no polarity to another polarity can cause an imbalance and re balancing takes time.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

Perhaps its a transition period? I think if you believe in polarization, lightworking is harder than being a darkworker. Also transitioning from one polarity or no polarity to another polarity can cause an imbalance and re balancing takes time.

That's true, it could be. And frankly, if I had to pick a time to become a lightworker, I probably picked one of the absolute hardest time to do so considering what I was going through in my life.

Not to mention, I never even did a 30 day trial or anything like that - I wasn't even considering it or thinking about it even the previous day. I just made the decision one night with no pre-consideration, so I was starting really fresh and brand new. I had lived a path that was more aligned to darkworker (without being one) then lightworker beforehand so I have a huge amount of learning to do.

Hmmm, come to think of it, most of my time since then (maybe the first 6-8 weeks out of the 11 weeks since I've decided to be a lightworker) was mostly trying to deal with the crisis I was going through that wasn't about being a lightworker and it's only been the last few weeks I've being able to move beyond that.

[Calimero]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Maybe that's because it's something you cannot explain with words?

Yes maybe it just cant be explained in words.
Now it happens often to me that I can find the words to describe or explain certain things. Mainly I keep this feelings and thoughts that are hard to explain for myself. Just because they could be misunderstood and make people turn it in a complete different way than it was meant to.
So when I bump into an explanation that I don't get, and it seems that I am not the only one, I will try to find out what the meaning really is, in stead of just say well the tool is artificial as it doesn't fit in to what it is compared to.
I would rather try to find out where it can be compared to.
If it is not to the physical body nor to the breathing cycle....there must be something else...
But thanks for your advices.....I "ll give it a try to do an exercise on it or so...you never know where it can lead to.

[Grophrane]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

I would be 20-25 pounds lighter
I would be a millionaire
I would be a Church of Satan Magistra
I would have an interesting job
I would be married to my boyfriend and he would financially stable
My mom would be financially stable and well adjusted
In the morning, I would lounge around in a robe and slippers
I would have a nice spacious house
I will feel a sense of inner peace
I will have mindfulness or lack of negative attacking thoughts
I would feel a sense of vindication for the societal mistreatment, like the situation was rectified
I would be respected, even feared by my enemies

Your statements are very impossible, your statements are also contradictory.
To strive for anything, you think that you're not good enough as you are. This is a so called negative attacking thought, You say you will have mindfuness or lack of negative attacking thoughts. You say you will feel a sense of inner peace. The very desire to live peacefully is enough to ruin that possibility forever! You won't be able to live peacefully if you cannot accept yourself as you are. Everybody is perfect. And about this statemend, i remember a sufi story told by my beloved master.

A sufi mystic was giving a discourse on truth, and during the discourse he said
All is divine, all is perfect. A very ugly hunchbag arose and shouted 'What about me! Look at me! can't you see me!?' The sufi mystic said 'My god, i have never seen such a perfect hunchbag!'.

Get it?

You're all concerned with trivial things, who bothers about what you lounge around in, in the morning and how big your house is. Your house is not a permanent phenomenon. it's not yours. You just live in it, and when you die, where 'your' house will be. But this isn't your real house. You're lost and everybody is trying to find a new place for you. But nobody tells you the way home.

respect is ugly if it is a business phenomenon and not spontaneous. What is the use, if they are just pretending. And everybody is pretending. Everybody is a hypocrite! And the only way i know of, in which you can live peacefully and mindfully. Is to meditate 24 hours a day. Otherwise you're only pretending to be concious. And your mind can trick you very easily, just look around the forums and you will see what i mean. If you're capable of even small insights. But you aren't capable yet. First intelligence has to be born in you again. You've become mad, society has poisoned you, parents have poisoned you. You're not aware, you cannot live mindfully at all, you can't live peacefully at all. To live peacefully means 24 hours of peace and silence, serene joy into the mystery and ecstacy of life. As it is now, only few moments you have when you experience joy or peace. Otherwise continious chatter and yak-ke-ti-yak inside you. You have to take charge of your own intelligence and your own being! NOBODY can know you completely, only you can do that. You're the only person that can move inside yourself and find there eternal natural great peace. Rest in natural great peace. But you must get rid of all garbage first. I suggest Osho dynamic meditation each day in the morning preferably. And perhaps another active meditation in the evening.

Just to make you aware of a person that can help you destroy all your ignorance and make you pregnant with truth. you need unconditioning my friend, only that can start you on the path towards inner peace. What does all these trivial things like social positions and relationships with various aquaintances, respect, your house and your car, and your job. What do they matter. Certainly in this small life you're not going to waste the opportunity to find eternal silence, peace. Sacrificing the sacred for the mundane is the only wrong thing.

Osho World: Vision of an Enlightened Master [Meditation Discourses and books]

[Kazeko]

Originally Posted by Calimero

And who is forcing you to play WoW?

I didn't say that. I said, "we are forced to choose" (a fraction), or "to polarize" there. Of course, if you want to play.

Where we're forced to play is in the game of life. Please notice, I said it ironically

[Kazeko]

Originally Posted by seeker5

Wow, that's interesting. May I ask how it ruined your life? How did it get worst? How long did you try it for?

Thus, it's interesting what you've written, so I'd love to hear more about it to see how it compares to my experience.

In general, I can say, that I experienced quite similar pattern of (negative) results. I won't tell my particular story, as it includes many personal details (and not only about me).

I'd say two things.

1) There're no such things as "ruined life" or "worst results" actually. Every failure contains a seed of equal or greater success. However the process itself can be very painful.

2) There're much easier to use and more accurate and "solid" sets of tools, then "worker"'s. And we're here to choose the best lives for us. That's what I decided to do. And I don't really care if I misused the whole concept or not. I've found my tools, which suit me. They're the best for me. And I use them a lot, while we're still trying to define here what's the "dw/lw" actually is.

3) And the very last thing before I go.
I've noticed, I talk too much already. So I'll get myself busy. But first, I want to reveal another tool I use. It is "Simplify!" CroMagna loves her church, robes and power. I love ocean, nature and freedom. Who cares about the rest? If it's just great and enjoyable, then it's doesn't really matter "what's the intension". Just don't hurt anyone . Yes, it is also nice to give yourself cool names, as "Darkworker".

CroMagna, I want to see you relaxing in your robe happily. Send me a picture

[Calimero]

Originally Posted by Kazeko

I didn't say that. I said, "we are forced to choose" (a fraction), or "to polarize" there. Of course, if you want to play.

Where we're forced to play is in the game of life. Please notice, I said it ironically

Once more the result of not being on a good level of understanding all of the nuances in the fourth language I am learning now.
Thanks for the clarification.

[Calimero]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

[*]pick any action you take[*]imagine what motivations a darkworker would have to do this[*]think this as if it was your thoughts and feel it[*]then imagine why a lightworker would do it[*]think these thoughts and feel how that feels[/list]It's not about intellectually understanding it, it's about feeling it. Feel how the energy flows into you or out of you in that moment. Maybe you'll notice how different it feels. Well I hope so.

In another section of this forum I was talking with some other people about the concept of lightworker and darkworker. At a certain point one of the writers seem to be sure that a darkworker has like psychopathic behavior.
So I tried your exercise with that factor in mind.

The action I pick is : to apologize.
The darkworker (if it is about psychopathic behavior) says sorry to someone that got mad at him....when he knows that the mad person will calm down. The darkworker will only want to calm down the mad person when he "fears" that the relationship with this person could end if he doesn't apologize. He only fears the end of a relationship when he needs the relationship to reach his own purposes and goals.
So in fact he doesn't feel sorry at all, and it does not even matter to him if he really did something wrong to upset the person. The action of apologize is there to save a relationship that he needs to reach own goals.
If the mad person is not important to for the darkworker to reach his own goals, he will not apologize at all even when his responsibility for the other person to be upset is huge. As the relationship has no further purpose to the darkworker he will not invest energy to keep it going if he caused the break up of the relationship in making a person mad.

The lighworker will not always say sorry to someone that got mad at him. The lightworker will first see where he is responsible for the feelings of someone else.
If he sees his responsibility for it he will apologize and point clear to the one that got mad or upset where he made his mistake or used wrong words and ask to be apologized. The goal is to make the mad person feel calm again. The lightworker wants the other to calm down so that the other feels better again and can find peace again in himself. So the lightworker wants to correct his mistake to make one upset, so restore peace that he broke. It is not important if the relationship keeps on going after the incident. To the lightworker his main concern is that when the person walks away after the incident peace returns in that persons mind and hart, even if they would never see each other again later.

I don't know if this comes closer to how you look at lightwork and darkwork concept.
It is a strange concept to me.

[Liara Covert]

Energy is a fascinating subject. Human beings talk about 'black' and 'white' magic or 'black' amd 'white' answers when they are not always in touch with their true feelings. One of the beenfits of giving yourself a label is using it as a way to teach yourself more about how you really feel and what you really wish to do about that. I savor every stage of journeys of personal evolution.

[t33ny]

i don't know if i'm comfortable with either concept, to be honest. i am particularly uncomfortable with the talk of satanism in the concept of "dark" - surely we should just use the imagery of the concept? materialism, decadence, indulgence, debauchery? does anyone here *actually* identify with the concept of "evil"??

i do not believe in jesus as the divine son of god, i believe in him as a fully enlightened and learned soul reincarnated in a period of need (even as a lapsed catholic, but this is not a matter for orthodox religious debate), but that certainly does not mean that on the flipside i identify with the doctrine of "anti-christ" because who in their right mind would want to live in a world under the influence of a mentor who preached on the opposite values of what jesus represented in the world? anti-love? anti-trust? anti-knowledge? anti-self-belief? no thanks.

still, i am the biggest advocate of loving oneself, yet i would never neglect those around me to benefit only myself. i'm going to go with grey.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Just for the record, I'm not the one who compared the concept to breathing. Kazeko said

and that's why I talked about breathing. I thought using his own image would help me explain what I meant to him. I personally wouldn't compare polarization to breathing as when I do breathing exercises I focus on both in and out.


Maybe that's because it's something you cannot explain with words?

I'm all about feeling and that makes it difficult for me to explain things to people who are more visual or auditive. But I personally think it's something you just have to feel. Maybe it would be helpful to

1. pick any action you take
2. imagine what motivations a darkworker would have to do this
3. think this as if it was your thoughts and feel it
4. then imagine why a lightworker would do it
5. think these thoughts and feel how that feels

It's not about intellectually understanding it, it's about feeling it. Feel how the energy flows into you or out of you in that moment. Maybe you'll notice how different it feels. Well I hope so.

Edit: Maybe running this kind of simulation repeatedly for different kinds of actions could be helpful to determine how you want to polarize? Provided that you do want to polarize, that is.

This polarity thing can get confusing. The more I think about it and discuss it and learn about it the more complicated it becomes.


I answered those questions and got this;

1. I want to be a successful filmmaker and marketer
2. As a darkworker I would want to build myself up, become rich and famous, travel the world, date many beautiful exotic women, feel powerful. I want to feel joy and empowered.

4. As a lightworker I would want to inspire others through my creation. Empower others to fulfill their dreams and reach their full potential. Bring some light and hope to this dark world. I want others to feel joy and empowered.

I just don't see how they contradict each other. Why can't I have both of them?
Both contribute to a happy reality and that is what is most important.

[polecats]

instead of lightworker/darkworker, I'm now saying makeworker/takeworker, because the good vs evil thing distracts from goal setting

LWs are makeworkers because they create something that doesn't exist, DWs are takeworkers because they take something that already does, so most polarized artists are makeworkers (or lightworkers), and most polarized accountants are takeworkers (or darkworkers)

I'd also say majority of makeworkers are "Ns" on the MBTI scale, while more takeworkers are "Ss", although I'd say Ns are more likely to polarize in the 1st place.

Also, being a makeworker doesn't mean forgoing income. I'd classify world's richest man, Warren Buffett, as one. He's not like Donald Trump just known for making money, but also loves to share his philosophy. His well-known annual report letters don't make him an extra penny, but you can see how passionate he is about sharing his philosophy, not just piling up his net worth.

Some famous Makeworkers I can think of - Thomas Edison, Ben Franklin, Buffett, Steve Jobs, Ross Perot, maybe Obama (McCain's clearly not polarized)

Some famous Takeworkers - Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, maybe Larry Ellison, maybe Donald Trump

[Bruce Achterberg]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Is there a shorthand way of knowing if you are in fact a darkworker? Especially for someone who's prone to doubting things?

Yes, there is: you decide.

If you haven't consciously decided to be a lightworker or darkworker, you aren't.

By definition, polarity is something that arises from conscious choice. People might have a certain leaning, but until they make a conscious decision to commit to identifying with themself, or with oneness, they're not polarised. As I said in another thread:

Polarity is the choice that acknowledges what you could do if you fully utilised your potential to do good, and the commitment to ensuring that good is done, regardless of the difficulties you experience.

In that case I was talking about lightworking.

In this thread I made some fairly decent posts about the concept of polarity. I was most proud of this one. Those posts, along with the one made by Steve, should prove helpful to you.