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Muzzinho · 06-23-2008, 12:29 AM

Hello, I have recently read Steve's explanation of the levels of consciousness and I would like someone... even Steve himself to help me understand what exactly he means by "You are now in service to your heart (not your emotions)" How is the heart different from emotions? So if someone was working a low paid job as an artist and enjoying his work.. but doesn't have enough money to support his family... what if he becomes a doctor; even if he hates biology; just so he can provide for his family...Does that mean he is now at the level of "love" because he is serving other human beings... helping the ill, supporting his family financially and so on?

I hope you understand my example, I'm not very clear sometimes.

Any feedback is useful

Remiel · 06-23-2008, 02:48 PM

To me its not quite the compromise between doing what's right and doing what you are emotionally attached to.

I believe steve himself said that unconditional love is a better word than just love. Its related to an action. Yet at that same time if I don't love myself can I truely love others? So if I'm "Serving" humanity by being a doctor and agonizing every moment of it am I really unconditionally loving others? I'm not giving them my best, my 100%. Thus I would say it is when I can serve humanity AND be doing what I am passionate about doing that I am truely giving 100%. This includes using all my talents and abilities to their fullest.

When you add in a family the only thing that changes in my mind is you need to have their support. So for the artist if painting is where he feels led to go then he should either find a way to live within the money he gets. Or he should find a way to make more money to support his family WITHIN the context of his passion. It may very well be that there are ways to use the talents that makes painting so appealing and put them to good work elsewhere. Quite possibly within the realm of artistry. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make money creating art.

To me the level of unconditional love is largely about true understanding. Understanding on the deepest level why people do things and react the way they do and then choosing to love them anyways. To be able to look at a murderer in the eye, even one who's killed a close loved one, and to realize where that person came from. To be able to look them in the eye and forgive them for what they've done. Do note that forgiveness does not mean that the consequences for that action are erased.

So to me one of the greatest acts of unconditional love is understanding where people are coming from and not holding it against them. So if I see someone who gets angry every time a particular subject is mentioned I can learn from there responses and at the same time not hold it against them. I personally have decided that I do not know the full truth and because of that it is not my place to condemn or judge people.

Muzzinho · 06-23-2008, 03:57 PM

Ok... that's making a lot more sense actually.

Thanks Ramiel for the feedback

Remiel · 06-23-2008, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzzinho

Ok... that's making a lot more sense actually.

Thanks Ramiel for the feedback

You are most welcome.

Alexjstrandberg · 06-23-2008, 11:03 PM

Do what you love and the money will follow.

The Cloud · 06-24-2008, 05:21 PM

To be honest, you will probably only understand a new level of consciousness once you achieve it. In my experience, no matter how eloquently it is explained, you can't 'get it' until you already have it. The words that Steve uses are just signposts pointing at the truth. Like signposts, they only have value in the direction they point you.

However, I'm also not a big fan of Steve's analogies. He's a very intelligent and successful man, but he's often a bit too mystical for my taste. What he likely means to say is service to who you are rather than to what you feel. Often times people act only on their feelings. A person with anger problems doesn't really serve themselves very well, but they do a great job of serving their feelings. Service to your "heart" would be serving what you really are rather than acquiescing to whatever illogical feeling you are having at the moment.

AirBreather · 06-27-2008, 12:14 AM

Why not go right to the source?

Steve's article was based off of David R. Hawkins' material.

Clearest book on the Levels of Consciousness would be: "Transcending the Levels of Consciousness"

Linky @ Veritas Publishing

Blessings.

06-23-2008, 12:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
Muzzinho Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 57	The Love level of consciousness Hello, I have recently read Steve's explanation of the levels of consciousness and I would like someone... even Steve himself to help me understand what exactly he means by "You are now in service to your heart (not your emotions)" How is the heart different from emotions? So if someone was working a low paid job as an artist and enjoying his work.. but doesn't have enough money to support his family... what if he becomes a doctor; even if he hates biology; just so he can provide for his family...Does that mean he is now at the level of "love" because he is serving other human beings... helping the ill, supporting his family financially and so on? I hope you understand my example, I'm not very clear sometimes. Any feedback is useful

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06-23-2008, 02:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Remiel Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 470	To me its not quite the compromise between doing what's right and doing what you are emotionally attached to. I believe steve himself said that unconditional love is a better word than just love. Its related to an action. Yet at that same time if I don't love myself can I truely love others? So if I'm "Serving" humanity by being a doctor and agonizing every moment of it am I really unconditionally loving others? I'm not giving them my best, my 100%. Thus I would say it is when I can serve humanity AND be doing what I am passionate about doing that I am truely giving 100%. This includes using all my talents and abilities to their fullest. When you add in a family the only thing that changes in my mind is you need to have their support. So for the artist if painting is where he feels led to go then he should either find a way to live within the money he gets. Or he should find a way to make more money to support his family WITHIN the context of his passion. It may very well be that there are ways to use the talents that makes painting so appealing and put them to good work elsewhere. Quite possibly within the realm of artistry. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make money creating art. To me the level of unconditional love is largely about true understanding. Understanding on the deepest level why people do things and react the way they do and then choosing to love them anyways. To be able to look at a murderer in the eye, even one who's killed a close loved one, and to realize where that person came from. To be able to look them in the eye and forgive them for what they've done. Do note that forgiveness does not mean that the consequences for that action are erased. So to me one of the greatest acts of unconditional love is understanding where people are coming from and not holding it against them. So if I see someone who gets angry every time a particular subject is mentioned I can learn from there responses and at the same time not hold it against them. I personally have decided that I do not know the full truth and because of that it is not my place to condemn or judge people.

06-23-2008, 03:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
Muzzinho Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 57	Ok... that's making a lot more sense actually. Thanks Ramiel for the feedback

06-23-2008, 11:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
Alexjstrandberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 300	Do what you love and the money will follow.

06-24-2008, 05:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
The Cloud Family Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,203	To be honest, you will probably only understand a new level of consciousness once you achieve it. In my experience, no matter how eloquently it is explained, you can't 'get it' until you already have it. The words that Steve uses are just signposts pointing at the truth. Like signposts, they only have value in the direction they point you. However, I'm also not a big fan of Steve's analogies. He's a very intelligent and successful man, but he's often a bit too mystical for my taste. What he likely means to say is service to who you are rather than to what you feel. Often times people act only on their feelings. A person with anger problems doesn't really serve themselves very well, but they do a great job of serving their feelings. Service to your "heart" would be serving what you really are rather than acquiescing to whatever illogical feeling you are having at the moment.

06-27-2008, 12:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
AirBreather Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 99	Why not go right to the source? Steve's article was based off of David R. Hawkins' material. Clearest book on the Levels of Consciousness would be: "Transcending the Levels of Consciousness" Linky @ Veritas Publishing Blessings.

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