A picture is worth a 1000 words

[rock1000]

This thread is meant to be a collection of pictures, mostly the messages that nature gives us..

Everyone is welcome to comment/contribute.

Here is the first one....

[rock1000]

[rock1000]

[rock1000]

Here's another message from nature....

So what do you think of these four messages (4 pics)?

[stephencp]

I would like to read comments on what people think of the last picture. Typically, if a human kills an animal, there is often wailing and gnashing of teeth over the cruelty of it all, but if a lion does it, well that's just a beautiful part of nature.


Stephen
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[TechnoGuyRob]

I've got something similar going.

You bring up a good point, though, stephen.

[nickww]

To Stephen

The animal world is not to be compared with the human kind.
Animals don't to kill for fun or out of frustration nor fear...
One can ask who's to be treated of animal?
One has to compare the comparable and stick to the context.

[stephencp]

"The animal world is not to be compared with the human kind."
Why not? Are we not a species on this earth like any other? Isn't that the mainstay of the animal rights movement? That animals have just as much right to live as we do?

"Animals don't to kill for fun or out of frustration nor fear..."
Feel free to pet that bear cub in the woods... Additionally, I've seen cats kill and play with birds and NOT eat them. It looked like they were having fun to me.

Stephen
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[rock1000]

Animals killing animals is a part of nature's design. Humans killing animals is not!!!!

I heard of this argument several times. Further, humans are born to be vegans, which is why they don't have claws or canine teeth...

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by rock1000

Animals killing animals is a part of nature's design. Humans killing animals is not!!!!

Um. Did nature say that?

Originally Posted by rock1000

I heard of this argument several times. Further, humans are born to be vegans, which is why they don't have claws or canine teeth...

Um. We have canine teeth. They're called cuspids.

Canine tooth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[rock1000]

Nature reveals its design through (survival)"instinct." A lion kills by instinct, an elephant does not. Read it as lion kills by nature's design, elephant does not.

I guess "fangs" could also substitute canine teeth in my argument. Canine teeth are just a representative words. What I meant is "sharp teeth" to tear food apart!

[rock1000]

[Athena]

to follow that..

[Matthew Shea]

I really don't get the arguments that "Humans are supposed to eat..." take your pick. Humans are equpped to eat nearly anything considered edible. It's part of our adaptability as a species and part of the reason we dominate the world. Meats, vegetables, grains, dairy, etc. It all works for us. Take a look at our teeth, for instance. We have a mixture of teeth designed to both rip food like a carnivore as well as grind it up like an herbivore. You can extend this all the way through the digestive tract. Rather than explain it myself, though, I'll let the Vegetarian Resource Group do it for me.

Personally, I'm not vegetarian (obviously), but I consider it an honorable lifestyle. If you're going to live that lifestyle, though, do it for the right reasons (ethics, health benefits, ecology, etc.). Don't try to use falsehoods to explain your motivations.

[rock1000]

Hmm. Is being equipped to eat is all that is needed?

That's like saying we can eat grass (and digest other cellulose) because we have an appendix!!!

[Reyv]

Wow, I think that third picture is going on my vision board. I've been living in the city for too long.

[ÜberDan]

As conscious beings we have the choice to kill or not and along with it responsibility. Do animals have this same conscious thought and choice?

From what I see most meat eaters are far removed from the killing of the animal so are not always conscious of the implications involved with what they purchase and eat.

I have been a vegan although do eat meat on occasion now. Previously I choose not to eat animal products for health reasons, now I’m starting to feel other ethical reasons swaying my eating habits.

[Matthew Shea]

Originally Posted by rock1000

Hmm. Is being equipped to eat is all that is needed?

That's like saying we can eat grass (and digest other cellulose) because we have an appendix!!!

I think you miss my point. Did you read the linked article? It deals with the whole digestive system. Wikipedia also has a lot of info on that subject (search on the word "omnivore"). Let's not deny accepted scientific facts.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by rock1000

Nature reveals its design through (survival)"instinct." A lion kills by instinct, an elephant does not. Read it as lion kills by nature's design, elephant does not.

If a "civilised" man were in the wild, starving, and the only thing he could get his hands on were rabbits, he'd eat them - raw if he had to. This is (AFAIK) not true of elephants.

You also seem to forget that living beings have numerous 'regressive' biological traits. 'Goose pimples' are a good example - this is our body attempting to keep us warm by fluffing up fur that we no longer have.

You could make a case that humanity is on an evolutionary path away from omnivorous eating, given things like the reduction in canine size. You cannot make a case that humanity is at the end of that path.