Am i a darkworker? Or Lightworker?

[Selmanito]

Hi everyone!!! this is my first ever post.

After coming accross steves site, my life has totally changed. From every article i read from any catagory. I dont know how he does it!!

Anyhow, im confused to what i am? I mean, is there an exact science to being a lightworker or darkworker?

I always wanted to help people, and make the world a better place. Id like to think i have the same wavelenght like Steve, except, hes way more developed than i am now. But i also focus on things like improving myself, especially in exercise, i workout a lot, and am crazy about getting the right nutrition etc and perfecting it. As well as hypnosis for various self improvement things.

Its confused me so much, yet i feel so good in a way thinking about, its actually making my brain exercise somehow just letting these thoughts wonder even without an answer.

I know to reach enlightenment one has to be one of the two. But i dont know what i am? as i said, ive always had plans on worldly views, for the better infinite good. And im a giving guy/person. But the exercise thing is confusing me? as exercise and self improvement is like my second religion? Am i still lost then?

some insights of fellow smart people would make me very grateful!

[Brutha]

Not everyone is a lifeworker or a darkworker, most people are neither.

In general it doesn't matter that much, what you do for the categorisation but why you do it.

[Selmanito]

True i guess. But im trying to polarize. But im not sure if im doing it right.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Selmanito

But im trying to polarize.

Why?

[Trezker]

1: Do a 30 day trial for each
2: Evaluate
3: if not decided goto 1:
4: Profit!

[jtrikster]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Not everyone is a lifeworker or a darkworker, most people are neither.

In general it doesn't matter that much, what you do for the categorisation but why you do it.

I agree.

I would say just keep doing what you're doing. Do what feels most natural. Allow yourself to express yourself more deeply through your actions. If you are still stuck on figuring out which side you fall under, look back at what actions you've done and felt what's right and go from there.

I've found that I get much more out of life if I keep my judgements to a minimum. Judgement overall puts limits on you and your potential. The less you judge, the more of your inner self comes out.

[Selmanito]

Thanks a lot jtrikster and the rest of you who took the time to answer. I feel a lot better getting some ideas from you. I think i will experiement around.

But my main confusion was that, cant a lightworker be even in a relationship then? i mean because a relationship is a 2 way love thing. That means steve isnt a lightworker then, if i thought of it in that sense.

But im a lot clearer on things now i guess.

[bravebluemice]

The lightworker/darkworker conundrum is easier to understand knowing who your energy serves:

Do you serve the greater good above and beyond anything else; is your energy flowing into the greater good, therefore achieving high personal growth?

Or do you serve yourself, and by focusing energy on yourself achieve high personal growth.

As Steve points out, only by polarizing can we achieve the highest states of energy flow or growth momentum, and I think it's great that you have chosen this path.

He also encourages you to try the polarities before committing to them. Just because you did some light work doesn't mean you can't do some dark work.

To put it into a better context to your own personal situation, consider it this way.

A lightworker will round up a bunch of excersize buddies, or start a program at the Gym, to share their excersize skill. Often, they'll start an aerobics class or if you have a job, start a fitness program at work. Set up a website for people to get excersize ideas on, and track their progress. Your goal as a lightworker is to put your energy into helping the greater good; as many people as you can find.

A darkworker will find themselves working out alone in the gym, focusing intently on hitting bodybuilding goals, stamina goals, and be concerned with their own peak performance.

Each of these will eventually become a very physically fit person, but achieve it through different means.

The lightworker/darkworker dynamic doesn't really apply in that sense to a romantic relationship. Those have different dynamics to consider, and are most properly executed as a sharing or culmination of energy sources. Definitely not within the scope of what Steve was trying to say.

Best of luck to you,
~BraveBlueMice

[jtrikster]

Originally Posted by bravebluemice

The lightworker/darkworker conundrum is easier to understand knowing who your energy serves:

Do you serve the greater good above and beyond anything else; is your energy flowing into the greater good, therefore achieving high personal growth?

Or do you serve yourself, and by focusing energy on yourself achieve high personal growth.

~BraveBlueMice

*DING DING DING*
Right on the money BB. *thumbs up*

[peacelily64]

BB Mice I like ur reply it clears up some questions I had also on the dark /light concept thanks Jane

[jacine]

Hi I am new to the forum as of today and thanks for that. I think I am a dark worker. Well at least I am going to try it for 30 days anyway. I was thinking about it last night and yes I do like helping people but I also do make sure I look after myself. I suppose no one wants to be called selfish. I am one of these people who will donate but only if it gets me PR. I will let you know how I go with consciously trying to be a darkworker for 30 days.

[danijelg]

This is exactly the same question I have been asking myself for some time now and I feel there is a lot of work ahead of me before I can choose either. The thing is that I have always been quite undecided about almost every aspect of my life, which can be a real bug if you want to grow.

So right now I am not sure weather I am a lazy lightworker or a latent darkworker - because I enjoy helping people yet I don't do it as often as I would like to, and on the other hand I feel that my needs have a priority against other people's needs, but I tend not to look out for myself good enough so I am having difficulty interacting with other people. Having written this down I am starting to notice that I may actually be a darkworker but I am struggling with the concept of good and evil.

It really comes down to being 100% honest with yourself I think - no matter how strong the social norms may be implemented in your mind.

[Jamie]

Heaven and Hell are almost exactly alike. A big banquetting hall, with a massive long table, and all the most yummy food you can imagine. People are ready to eat, only they have these very (like 6 foot) long spoons, from which they must eat. In this regards, both heaven and hell are alike.

There is one important difference ......

In hell, the people are trying to feed themselves (and they can't get the spoon to their own mouth).

In heaven, they feed each other.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by jtrikster

Do what feels most natural.

Even more important than what I just said about heaven and hell. Is to do what is natural for yourself.

[Jamie]

I'm really confused on this lightworker / darkworker thing. Can someone clarify.

For me, I have a background in Taoism, and as such we don't really have concepts of good and bad (is this the meaning of light and dark, in this context?).

Something may be appropriate, for one person, in a given situation, or inapporpriate elsewhere.

Also, in general terms, I think we all naturally have propesity to do both, to expand energy and awareness out, and to contract energy and awareness in to our being. Which is I think perfectly natural (and doing just the one, all the time, I think is unwise). What seems unnatural, to me, is to try and force the issue, to try and force yourself to be other than your original nature (who you really really are).

If that original nature suggests you be a light or dark - worker, follow that, but I'd suggest, not to get so hung up in your mind, sticking to one path, be mindful of what's appropriate for you at any given time in your life.

Does that make sense?

[jtrikster]

Have you seen Star Wars? I think of light and dark workers as the Jedi and the Sith. They just have different centres of being.

I can definitely see where you're coming from. I'm not sure what to say to that really. I personally don't bother with the whole light and dark worker concept just because at first I would get so caught up in the words and theoretical concepts. As I began to question the concept a little more, I realized that I prefer just working from my essence. So I may do dark things or I may do light things. I may do more light than dark things, but the important thing that it's coming from my essence and sort of 'being called upon' for reasons unknown to me. I guess it like following the Tao or the flow of life.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by jtrikster

Have you seen Star Wars? I think of light and dark workers as the Jedi and the Sith. They just have different centres of being.

Or, if you don't like that view because of the negative connotation of the dark side in Star Wars, think of Han Solo. Han Solo only does things that benefit him for most of the 1st movie (Star Wars IV). So he's pretty much a darkworker, while Luke and Leia are lightworker. Then the end of the movie he turns and helps Luke and Leia blow up the Death Star.

[Jamie]

Or Anakin Skywalker, who starts good, goes bad, ends up good.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Or Anakin Skywalker, who starts good, goes bad, ends up good.

Heh, true. Although, the problem with Anakin is he tends to loses limbs and body parts during each transitions.

[bravebluemice]

The fact of the matter is, most people are both. They do lightworking and darkworking in some proportion.

It isn't about being 'selfish' and it isn't a comparison between good people and bad people, or good vs. evil.

It's entirely based on energy flow. The question regarded polarization to achieve greater flow.

Consider moving a pebble along one of two parallell paths with a single stick. If you focus on moving one pebble, it will reach the finish line faster, but if you have to move both pebbles by alternating from one to the other, they still both get to the finish, but it will take considerably longer.

Both paths lead to the same place, and by polarizing, you chose one path or the other, gaining greater energy flow, and getting to the destination quicker/easier.

By chosing to do a little of both, like most people do, the paths are still the same, but will take longer to walk both of them.

~BraveBlueMice

[Jamie]

Hi BraveBlueMice,

I can see your point that it's all about energy flow.

I'm not sure I agree with your pebbles theory though. What follows is my own opinion, and understanding on the matter, not claiming it's gospel truth or anything.

Moving both pebbles, or better yet, not trying to move either pebble, but allowing them to move in accord with their own nature as they will .. aligns us with the natural flow of the universe, the 'force' around and within us.

Mentally, trying to push one before the other, impedes flow.

In fact, being open, and not using mentality to force an issue (or to push a pebble), opens us up to more, higher energy within the cosmos. Forcing things, either physically, or mentally with our mind, closes us down. It's like trying to make water come out of a hose faster, by squeezing or contorting it.

In my mind, being natural and allowing both to move, according to their (your own) natures, is more balanced and in harmony. The alternative is one-sided. In Taoism, it's like trying to be fully yang, or fully yin, it will make you unbalanced and will tire you (less energy). Also in Taoism, you may have seen the yin-yang symbol, the little white and black dots, mean that extreme yin, or yang, turns in to it's opposite ...

[Jamie]

Just wanted to add to what I've said already.

In that, maybe it's not a conscious choice, to be inclined soley towards light or to dark? If so, that puts a very different spin on things, at least in my eyes, because one is being true to one's own nature.

I realise I'm in tricky territory here, so will go no further.

[bravebluemice]

I try not to take any of this as the 'gospel truth,' more as a collection of observations from different viewpoints. I think of it as comparing notes on reality as viewed through different sets of conditionals. While I didn't say it, I hoped it was assumed that what I've stated was my interpretation of the theory, in effort to clarify the concepts.

The point of the pebbles was that both options lead to the same place, they just take different paths to get there, and by committing to one pebble, you get there quicker.

As said with your yin and yang, when it reaches the extreme, it becomes its opposite. While that's not quite exactly what the lightworker/darkworker deal says, there are some similarities.

For a darkworker, there has to be some involvement with putting energy into the greater good, for without the greater good, the darkworker cannot wholly exist.

For a lightworker, there has to be some level of commitment to self, or his service will end prematurely.

Thus, in the end, aren't we all working this same type of balance? By polarizing, you're only committing to one path, focusing intent and decisiveness to your advantage in order to bring about the balance more quickly.

So perhaps the Taoists that can achieve the balance without pursuing it through the light/dark paths, or a convoluted combination of the two, are the quickest bunch?

Truly to be a subject with which to boggle the mind...

~BraveBlueMice

[eblight]

What if you were told that you are already enlightened and you don't know it? Just be yourself and if that means exercise and working out as well as helping others if that gives you joy then do it. Let go of guilt and comparing yourself to someone else. You are unique, there's no one else like you including the 'dark' and the 'light'.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by bravebluemice

So perhaps the Taoists that can achieve the balance without pursuing it through the light/dark paths, or a convoluted combination of the two, are the quickest bunch?

I do not know my friend, but in Taoism, I believe there is something where, the slowest is the fastest ... and in any case, where is a person going to, in such a rush!?

Originally Posted by bravebluemice

Truly to be a subject with which to boggle the mind...

~BraveBlueMice

Indeed ... and perhaps it is the still mind, the moves with the greatest of speed? ... I don't know what it means myself!

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by eblight

What if you were told that you are already enlightened and you don't know it? Just be yourself and if that means exercise and working out as well as helping others if that gives you joy then do it. Let go of guilt and comparing yourself to someone else. You are unique, there's no one else like you including the 'dark' and the 'light'.

I very much agree with your comments here. Thank you.



I must check out your Free Audio Meditation Series.

[qufighter]

Originally Posted by jacine

consciously trying to be a darkworker for 30 days.

I would think that anyone could become either one, but may be more naturally polarized towards one side or the other. I think that forcing the issue is a bad strategy, but it might open up some new doors.

Selfishness is an essential component of life. I think balance is important though. For everything you do for yourself, you do something for someone else, then you might be a light worker, but its hard to say how much it takes. How people perceive you will vary from person to person.

If your not healthy, how are you suppose to help other people? I think its pretty clear that by being selfish about your health you can be even better at helping other people. Someone who doesn't exercise or eat right simply because it doesn't seem to help other people is tricking themselves. They will get less healthy and be less useful to others. Anyone striving for greater good ought to look out for number one.

[ken nubo]

Your a light worker.

The only dark workers out there are bank robbers and hitmen.

[jtrikster]

I have noticed, in myself and in others, most don't want to be considered darkworkers. We don't really want to be selfish and uncaring, etc. Now, through some revelations, I would say without a second thought that I am a darkworker without being selfish or uncaring, etc.

First before I go onto explain myself, I would suggest watching this video; it helps give darkworking a new light. Just as a sidenote, don't get caught up with the supposed negative or positive connotations with certains words.

From that whole 10-minute video, I would like to say just this:

Look for things to compliment on; look for things to ask about; look for things to appreciate. When you do, you look for things to feel good about and when you feel good, you find reasons to feel good and so you feel good.
So, I would say, to be selfish. I mean, how can you put an air mask on a child in need if you just died because you didn't put yours on?

You can't help others if you don't help yourself. I am not saying that you have to start out as a darkworker before you can become a lightworker. In the end, the goal of polarizing with one of the 'workers' is peace and ultimate reality (as I see it). To a certain degree I would say that lightworkers are also selfish because they do things for others. When they see themselves doing others good, they see something to feel good about. If you aren't doing something good for others, and your goal was to become a lightworker, wouldn't you feel selfish and unworthy? So, to keep yourself from feeling selfish and unworthy, you do things that make you feel good; you help others.

As I write this, I realize now that being selfish is the base for both poles. You need selfishness in order to venture deeply into each. It seems to show the ultimate 'illusion' of light vs. dark. I see now, in a different sense, why you shouldn't worry about which side you are leaning towards. When you concentrate on being selfish, (Look for things to compliment on; look for things to ask about; look for things to appreciate....) everything begins to fall into place and you begin to go down the path you were looking for in the beginning; peace.

[Jamie]

I don't understand where the imputus or need has come from, that's driving people to consider themselves to be light or dark workers. I'm not at all convinced as to the usefulness of this paradigm. Interesting talking about it though.

Jamie.