Am i a darkworker? Or Lightworker?

[Sanity Panda]

Truthfully while I haven't researched totally indepth of the concept... I think it's just a need or desire for label and understanding of self. Just with all other personality theories.

In my mind, everybody is a light worker overall. It's difficult to believe that actions that benefit ourselves is considered as darkworking as all actions benefit the self in some form but I guess we'll need to consider primary/secondary reasons (something I don't believe people can easily know given the subconscious mind)

It makes more sense for me to work with the love (including self-love)/hate concept.

[JoeGoldfarb]

Originally Posted by bravebluemice

To put it into a better context to your own personal situation, consider it this way.

A lightworker will round up a bunch of excersize buddies, or start a program at the Gym, to share their excersize skill. Often, they'll start an aerobics class or if you have a job, start a fitness program at work. Set up a website for people to get excersize ideas on, and track their progress. Your goal as a lightworker is to put your energy into helping the greater good; as many people as you can find.

A darkworker will find themselves working out alone in the gym, focusing intently on hitting bodybuilding goals, stamina goals, and be concerned with their own peak performance.

Each of these will eventually become a very physically fit person, but achieve it through different means.

nice example, but i find a problem with it. you stated the lightworker helps many reach a goal through action while the darkworker helps only thyself reach a goal. team building

to keep the balance i would like to add that once a darkworker reaches a goal, they will become a leader and through inaction help others reach goals. silent icon

make sense?

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Jamie

I don't understand where the imputus or need has come from, that's driving people to consider themselves to be light or dark workers. I'm not at all convinced as to the usefulness of this paradigm. Interesting talking about it though.

Jamie.

Personally I'm finding these paradigms to be absolutely useless, at least as they've been presented by Steve. However, I think he presents one principle that's essential to anyone who wants to make something of themselves: you have to be undivided.

Now, the reason I consider these paradigms useless is because I can't figure out a way to shoehorn myself into either of them. I am a very benevolent person with a strong sense of pride, justice, and honor. However, I'm extremely self-focused; it's the quickest way for me to advance. I strive for excellence in everything I do and when I'm too focused on others they slow me down because they don't share my mindset or my goals. However, when I have the resources to spare, I'll gladly take the time to help others. Using fitness as an example, I would adopt a really hardcore routine to get results as fast as possible (without damaging my health as that would defeat the purpose) then, once I achieved my goal, I would do what was necessary to maintain my fitness level and help others along their path.

I take a lot of pleasure in helping other people, but I'll do what I consider right or honorable even when I don't enjoy it. That's partly because petty actions are below me. In fact I consider anyone with a strong sense of honor to be of a superior breed. Because I think things like that, if I had to label myself I'd be a benevolent darkworker. Where I differ from Steve's definition is that I feel it's ludicrous to think that longterm gain can be wrought from mere consumption. To murder, lie, cheat, or steal, except under the most extreme circumstances, is wholly destructive; a piece of oneself dies with every soul consumed.

What I would tell someone on this subject is that they shouldn't worry about the label that's applied to them. They should concentrate on discovering their true natures, living by that, and becoming wholly undivided. Lightworking and darkworking are useful philosophies to someone starting out because their simplicity makes it easy to discover one's true nature. Try them and it should become fairly clear what your real priorities are. However, I think it's ludicrous to say that one has to polarize to accomplish anything, and that those who don't can't fulfill their potential. This is just a concept, like anything else. There may be spiritual ramifications, but I'd say the color of one's soul is determined by their intentions and not what they call themselves.

[Akashic_Librarian]

I can't believe I haven't seen this convo before!

I am a Darkworker Novice at the moment.

And what I have noticed in myself so far is a great unloosening of the chains wrapped around my heart and mind. I feel so free now that I am separated from others. Its really nice to feel like an Island!!

Furthermore I feel a sense of completeness I never felt before. Isn't it strange how I feel complete only when I am truly autonomous.

if I had to impart some insight into the undecided mind (truly for my own ego gratification, you understand) then it would be...don't worry what other people think. Because when you get here...you feel like a God compared to them.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

Personally I'm finding these paradigms to be absolutely useless, at least as they've been presented by Steve. However, I think he presents one principle that's essential to anyone who wants to make something of themselves: you have to be undivided.

Now, the reason I consider these paradigms useless is because I can't figure out a way to shoehorn myself into either of them. I am a very benevolent person with a strong sense of pride, justice, and honor. However, I'm extremely self-focused; it's the quickest way for me to advance. I strive for excellence in everything I do and when I'm too focused on others they slow me down because they don't share my mindset or my goals. However, when I have the resources to spare, I'll gladly take the time to help others. Using fitness as an example, I would adopt a really hardcore routine to get results as fast as possible (without damaging my health as that would defeat the purpose) then, once I achieved my goal, I would do what was necessary to maintain my fitness level and help others along their path.

I take a lot of pleasure in helping other people, but I'll do what I consider right or honorable even when I don't enjoy it. That's partly because petty actions are below me. In fact I consider anyone with a strong sense of honor to be of a superior breed. Because I think things like that, if I had to label myself I'd be a benevolent darkworker. Where I differ from Steve's definition is that I feel it's ludicrous to think that longterm gain can be wrought from mere consumption. To murder, lie, cheat, or steal, except under the most extreme circumstances, is wholly destructive; a piece of oneself dies with every soul consumed.

What I would tell someone on this subject is that they shouldn't worry about the label that's applied to them. They should concentrate on discovering their true natures, living by that, and becoming wholly undivided. Lightworking and darkworking are useful philosophies to someone starting out because their simplicity makes it easy to discover one's true nature. Try them and it should become fairly clear what your real priorities are. However, I think it's ludicrous to say that one has to polarize to accomplish anything, and that those who don't can't fulfill their potential. This is just a concept, like anything else. There may be spiritual ramifications, but I'd say the color of one's soul is determined by their intentions and not what they call themselves.

Or you could be a self-focused lightworker who builds himself up before helping others.



The way I see its who do you love more? Yourself or others?
I also believe polarization doesn't have to remain static the whole duration. I can be a darkworker who doesn't like to help strangers but if its family or dear friends that need help than I would do the utmost I can.
Also a darkworker can see huge benefit in helping others for personal growth.
Its like a businessmen doing the most to satisfy his customers because in the end he will benefit from creating a loyal customer and better PR. Basically helping others and helping yourself can both work in sync in other words synergy.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by bravebluemice

A lightworker will round up a bunch of excersize buddies, or start a program at the Gym, to share their excersize skill. Often, they'll start an aerobics class or if you have a job, start a fitness program at work. Set up a website for people to get excersize ideas on, and track their progress. Your goal as a lightworker is to put your energy into helping the greater good; as many people as you can find.

A darkworker can do the exact same thing in order to motivate himself with people around him.
Its not the actions but the intention. A smart person would be able to utilize both intentions simultaneously creating a win-win scenario.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

Or you could be a self-focused lightworker who builds himself up before helping others.

If we keep the definitions simple and leave it at focus on self or focus on others, then I'm a darkworker.

When I think of the whole, it's always through my personal lens. I am selfish to a fault. When I love, it's because I enjoy love. When I act for the sake of another, I always find a way to benefit. When I refuse to betray someone it's because I think of myself too highly to play the petty games of small-minded "visionaries". (Think about it; when people stab others in the back it's usually for something like money or status. People seeking only that have no imagination.)

Then again, going only by what Steve has said, I'm probably neither. He presented very simple philosophies. He said he meant for them to be simple since extremes usually feature far fewer internal contradictions than more complex paradigms. It's hard to say how simple it's meant to be since life is a lot more complex than it is on paper. Applying something so simple in this context isn't going to work for most people, it's really only for the most dedicated. This is why I care little for labels. I am what I am; I've found a great deal of power in my own paradigm. This is why I recommend taking "Do as thou wilt" to heart as opposed to relying on the ideas expressed by others.

[Optimiste]

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

Then again, going only by what Steve has said, I'm probably neither.

I find the dark and light worker issue very paradoxical. It's like someone who says s/he is a liar. Suppose I tell you something and then I tell you I am a liar. Am I really a liar then? Or i.e. someone who says that s/he is stupid. Someone who is able to recognize that s/he is stupid cannot be actually stupid. The same goes for someone who suffers depression. It is said that you cannot be depressed when you observe your depression. Because in order to describe how I feel, I need to detach myself from my feelings. The process of describing how I feel forces me to separate myself from my own emotions. There is a kind of internal split; I separate myself from an aspect of my own consciousness in order to examine and describe it. As a result, I am no longer identified with that aspect of my consciousness — my depression is automatically lifted. Similarly someone who consciously says s/he is lightworker or darkworker transcends it. I cannot be a real darkworker when I observe this pattern in me.

I believe dark and light worker principle is related to the animal tendencies of humans. Animals see the greatest wealth as their standing in the social order. This is "wealth" as seen through the "mind" of an animal. It's also "wealth" based on win-lose relationships - because animals fight win-lose battles in order to rise in the "pecking order." In a few other situations, they deal with each other on a seemingly altruistic basis, such as a mother-and-child relationship, where the child is defended at the risk of the mother's well-being. This is still a win-lose relationship. It's different only in the sense the mother appears to take the losing position "voluntarily." Cooperation, other than as established by the social order, is indeed rare in animals. The basic concept behind the establishment of the pecking order among, for example, chickens, is that it is necessary to determine who is the 'top chicken,' the 'bottom chicken' and where all the rest fit in between. The tendency toward gaining position in the social order is so valuable to animals, that it often overshadows more "logically valuable" activities, such as their safety. Animals are often injured fighting for social status, sometimes fatally. If not injured by each other, they often attract predators by their exertions. Big game hunters often find rams by listening for the clash of their horns as they struggle for dominance. Position in the social order must be extremely valuable to animals, if they let its practice threaten their survival. Among animals scarcity is the rule. In general, for most animals, there isn't enough food to go around. Many animals starve to death for a lack of food. For most of human history, pervasive scarcity was suffered by most. So it's no wonder that many humans still live their lives out of a deep-seated, pervasive "scarcity orientation" that colors how they see the world. It's as if they wear "scarcity spectacles" that distort their vision. They see resources as limited and scarce. Animals have to be darkworkers or lightworkers in order to survive because for the most part, the storage used by animals is limited to food in their bellies and fat on their sides. The few exceptional cases, such as squirrels hiding nuts, and bees storing honey, are notable because they are exceptions, rather than the norm. Animals cannot create and store value. They cannot multiply their resources that's why they have to deal win-lose relationships.

Simply if darkworker is the one who chooses to win when others lose the lightworker is the one who chooses to lose when others win. But why we have to deal with win-lose situations while we are able to create win-win situations? We are not animals. It is said that humans have unlimited mind power. We can always focus on our potentials to create abundance.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Optimiste

Similarly someone who consciously says s/he is lightworker or darkworker transcends it. I cannot be a real darkworker when I observe this pattern in me.

Well dark/light workers are highly conscious people and take action consciously. They understand why they doing what they are doing.

Simply if darkworker is the one who chooses to win when others lose the lightworker is the one who chooses to lose when others win. But why we have to deal with win-lose situations while we are able to create win-win situations? We are not animals. It is said that humans have unlimited mind power. We can always focus on our potentials to create abundance.

Everyone should be aiming to reach that where one's actions help the self and others simultaneously. I believe a darkworker can have a win-win mindset like a businessman who tries to please his customer in every way because in the end he profits from it. But the intention in the first place was to help empower him and self-growth.

[Persephone79]

Nope true enlightenment in my view cannot be about becomng polarised between the two because the whole notion behind the two concepts is the premise that one cannot exist without the other. (Which is correct)

Therefore - true enlightenment is learning how to become a combination of both.

That is my current lifepath and from what you have said OP it sounds like it is also yours xx

[Persephone79]

And that ProjectX would be a businessman who has reached enlightenment and successfully combined the two states without realising it!! That is exactly what it is - win win

[Revolution]

LOL - Perhaps you should ask Steve - because he's the one who invented it!!!

lol - but it seems if your doing exercise then that is VERY self centred and evil - yes you must be a DARKworker for sure!!! hahaha lighten up man!!!

[Persephone79]

Good post Revolution!! I'm a dark worker when I eat chocolate, but since my eating chocolate lessens the likelihood of me killing or maiming somebody, especially at the time of the month, it can be said that I am simultaneously operating as a lightworker working for the benefit of mankind !! (The emphasis of man was not a typo....!!)

[Optimiste]

When I focus on winning in the short run and don’t care much about what will happen in the long run, I guess it is my darkworker instinct and then try to focus on winning in both manner. We can do it. It is not so hard. Take the chocolate cravings. What can we do? When our chocolate cravings start it is our bodies way of telling us that we need sugar badly. The reason we don't crave fruit instead of chocolate is because the refined sugar found in chocolate is absorbed by the body faster. Our bodies are telling us we need that sugar right now and it is almost impossible to say no!
So next time you feel like chocolate here is the win-win plan. Instead of chocolate you could have: a piece of fruit; watermelon juice; freshly squeezed fruit juice. Try it next time your cravings start! Allow 20 minutes after you have had your new chocolate substitute to see if you still crave sugar. Chances are you won't. It's not the end of the world to have some chocolate every now and then. Just thought I'd share this example with you to remind that we have always alternatives.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Optimiste

When I focus on winning in the short run and don’t care much about what will happen in the long run, I guess it is my darkworker instinct...

No.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Exactly Elrond.

No, no and just no! Its got nothing to do with Darkworking. There is NO Darkworker instinct anyway! It's a conscious choice, no one is born with certain Darkworker abilities, just as Lightworkers aren't born, they are made, through tough personal choices, soul searching and understanding.

I did this process at 17, mostly because of bullying when I was younger, self esteem issues and the growing realisation that OMG I am going to fail at life.

For some people it doesn't happen until they are 40, 30, 20, or 99. It happens when the person makes the choice.

What you describe is something that is typical of a low level person, of any polarity, even a neutral.

The short term is important, but it must be seen in the context of the long run. However the trick comes in balancing looking forward and looking at the present. Its a juggling act to be sure.

[Optimiste]

Ah! You are right, Akashic. Describing myself as darkworker and assuming it as a conscious choice is a typical of a low level person. Just saying 'I am conscious" does not mean I am conscios. I.e. I can be drunk and still can say this. Thank you for saving me from deluding myself. Hahaha