Fighting

[Alfonso Crawford]

Originally Posted by Jay-Z

An eye for an eye--we both lose our sight;
And two wrongs don't make a right.
But when you've been wronged,
And you know all along
That it's just one life,
At what point does one fight?

I consider myself to be a lightworker, and a generally nice guy, but I've been angry for a few months now, because I've needed to get things done that go against the grain of alot of other people. There's a good deal of talk about reassessing one's situation to make a problem easier, but what about when you just have to put up your dukes and dislocate a few jaws--figuratively or otherwise?

[Steve Pavlina]

When you feel the need to fight, aim for the heart.

[Brutha]

There's a good deal of talk about reassessing one's situation to make a problem easier, but what about when you just have to put up your dukes and dislocate a few jaws--figuratively or otherwise?

That's never the case.

Some time ago I read the following quote:
"When you have to use your power, you never had it in the first place."

I consider myself to be a lightworker, and a generally nice guy, but I've been angry for a few months now, because I've needed to get things done that go against the grain of alot of other people.

Anger is a pretty low state of consciousness.

[quoteguy]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

When you feel the need to fight, aim for the heart.

I like this Steve. Kill 'em with kindness!

[Alfonso Crawford]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

When you feel the need to fight, aim for the heart.

Originally Posted by quoteguy

I like this Steve. Kill 'em with kindness!

... And here I interpreted Steve's reply literally....

I was about to say, "Eh; I'm more of an eyes and throat-kinda man." It's nice to know your stance, Pavlina. I, respectfully, shall forgo your path and instead invest in a solid knuckleduster. If you wish to know why I have decided as I have, it's because I do like me some good scrappin', however it comes to be.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Alfonso Crawford

... And here I interpreted Steve's reply literally....

I was about to say, "Eh; I'm more of an eyes and throat-kinda man." It's nice to know your stance, Pavlina. I, respectfully, shall forgo your path and instead invest in a solid knuckleduster. If you wish to know why I have decided as I have, it's because I do like me some good scrappin', however it comes to be.

Take up fighting if its what you want to do. Real fighting against real fighters. Boxing, kickboxing, cage fighting...there are plenty of avenues where you and whoever you are fighting know exactly what they are there for. Where its at least honest. Then you'll get to see how much you really want to fight.

[cdn2wheeler]

Originally Posted by Alfonso Crawford

I, respectfully, shall forgo your path and instead invest in a solid knuckleduster.

Always remember, the effect you're after is blunt force trauma. Don't hit in the face or the head because there are too many bones there. Go for soft tissue damage; throat, solar plexus, kidneys, sides of the knee. Do not stop until they are down and cannot/will not get up.

Those were my lessons, I only had to use them once and they may have saved my life... brings back vague memories of a somewhat lively, violent episode of many, many years ago...

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Alfonso Crawford

I consider myself to be a lightworker, and a generally nice guy, but I've been angry for a few months now, because I've needed to get things done that go against the grain of alot of other people. There's a good deal of talk about reassessing one's situation to make a problem easier, but what about when you just have to put up your dukes and dislocate a few jaws--figuratively or otherwise?

Hmmm I'm wondering... why do you feel the need to be angry and dislocate a few jaws just because you want to do things that go against the grain of other people?

Do what you want to do. If they attack you physically, defend yourself of course. But otherwise there is no need for any form of violence.

And even if you are forced to defend yourself, you never need to be angry. Why are you angry at the first place??

[cdn2wheeler]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

And even if you are forced to defend yourself, you never need to be angry.

Excellent point. Anger pollutes awareness and dulls the reflexes. If you're in the midst of a fracas, your mind needs to be clear, focused, devoid of anything except the goal. As soon as anger enters the equation, you may as well give up.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Alfonso Crawford

I've been angry for a few months now...

Is badminton really that violent a sport?

A few months of being angry, huh? How is anger working out as a way of being in getting your things done? Do you think you might have grown accustomed or addicted to anger, and maybe now you're just angry out of habit more than anything else?

Can you see another way of being, one more in line with who you really are, one that inspires you and is aligned with your true north values? A way of being that might inspire others who can help in the flow of getting your things done? Just speculate!

[Alfonso Crawford]

The references to actual physical violence are figurative, people: I'm not literally busting up anyone! The anger's been working out very well, actually, since it really conveys that I'm serious, and I've gotten alot coordinated. I'm mostly around people my own age, and being crotchety is the only way to get something done that doesn't involve drinking beer. Thinking about it, I'm just becoming braver, really. My, how I blow things out of proportion.

When it comes to actually brawling, I "turtle" most of the time. There's no need to get myself knocked out while I'm trying to get on the inside and land a throw, after all.

[Alfonso Crawford]

Originally Posted by Angela

Is badminton really that violent a sport?

YOU'D BE SUPRISED WITH THE VIOLENCE OF BADMINTON, MY GOOD LADY(?).

[Rose of Cairo]

ok, let's skip "or otherwise" then...

Originally Posted by Alfonso Crawford

I've been angry for a few months now, because I've needed to get things done that go against the grain of alot of other people. There's a good deal of talk about reassessing one's situation to make a problem easier, but what about when you just have to put up your dukes and dislocate a few jaws--figuratively

my answer stays the same: you don't need to be angry. Maybe you need to show you're very determined in order to get the things you want done, then do it. But you still can do it calmly and without feeling any anger inside.

edit: and a calm and resolute decision will impress them more than someone losing it all and shouting around.


edit: yes, badminton is damn violent!

[kulai]

Join a boxing gym or get yourself boxing gloves and a punchbag. When you let out your anger by punching the bag in a workout, you'd be surprised at how good you would feel after that. Releasing all this anger in boxing practice is like getting read of all the toxins in your body. Many professionals in highly stressed jobs use this therapy to treat anger management.

Power-To-Live.com

[Alfonso Crawford]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

yes, badminton is damn violent!

Really?? I would not have guessed. I have one witty slogan, and I end up gettin' disillusioned about something I never much even thought about--what a world!

[Rose of Cairo]

lol

I find it violent, really. It goes vey fast and is a hard sport. for the body and for the mind.

but maybe what's violent for me is not violent for an angry young man

[Alfonso Crawford]

At first, I only thought angry thoughts. I did not act.

Now, my thoughts are angry, and my actions are the same.

I feel melancholy when I look ahead to see the endless battles before me, for I am but a creature of rest, not war.

Perhaps I shall walk the path described in the movie, "Hero," were the utmost level of consiousness for a warrior longs for peace? I think so.

For the time being, my sword needs polishing. Nobunaga will be at my gates at dawn.

[Angela]

Alfonso, your communication is a bit slippery -- I don't get what you're asking for. What is your aim by posting this thread?

[NotesMaeve]

Originally Posted by Alfonso Crawford

I consider myself to be a lightworker, and a generally nice guy, but I've been angry for a few months now, because I've needed to get things done that go against the grain of alot of other people. There's a good deal of talk about reassessing one's situation to make a problem easier, but what about when you just have to put up your dukes and dislocate a few jaws--figuratively or otherwise?

I only fight with Angela over Jim O.

No, seriously though, I don't see the point in physical fights. The sort of people I hang out with just don't have a real use for physical domination over living beings.

[Alfonso Crawford]

Originally Posted by Angela

Alfonso, your communication is a bit slippery -- I don't get what you're asking for. What is your aim by posting this thread?

Oh; sorry 'bout that. Usually, I ask a question then start figuring out the question on my own. Something about just asking is very helpful to me unlocking the little tricky parts of a conundrum. I'll let the thread die, if you want?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Alfonso Crawford

Oh; sorry 'bout that. Usually, I ask a question then start figuring out the question on my own. Something about just asking is very helpful to me unlocking the little tricky parts of a conundrum. I'll let the thread die, if you want?

No need for that; I'm just wondering if you care to articulate for us what exactly your question is.

How I originally interpreted your question (it wasn't stated plainly) was: "How do I reconcile being a generally nice guy, having chronic anger in my life, and getting things done?" How would you ask of outsiders the question you are asking of yourself?

[Alfonso Crawford]

Originally Posted by Angela

No need for that; I'm just wondering if you care to articulate for us what exactly your question is.

How I originally interpreted your question (it wasn't stated plainly) was: "How do I reconcile being a generally nice guy, having chronic anger in my life, and getting things done?" How would you ask of outsiders the question you are asking of yourself?

As my thoughts have articulated, I've come to ask a different question; one that I can actually bring up to someone else, so that they may answer it, not just allow me to get my own mind in gear.

What's so wrong with anger? Love, too, can drive one to great stupidity, so why must anger alone be so maligned, eh? I've felt love before--a little more of it in my life wouldn't hurt none, I tell you what --and I say that anger [Am I wrongly misplacing anger as the inverse of love? Ought I replace "love" with "joy?"] certainly has it's share of pleasure, too.

For the record, I'm more of the wrestling-type--actually did for a time, to great satisfaction. I haven't really built myself to throw a good punch (I'm physically slow and brutish, more suited to heavy labor), so boxing would just be painful.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by NotesMaeve

I only fight with Angela over Jim O.

Don't you dare to fight with me over Erki!

Originally Posted by Alfonso Crawford

What's so wrong with anger? Love, too, can drive one to great stupidity, so why must anger alone be so maligned, eh? I've felt love before--a little more of it in my life wouldn't hurt none, I tell you what --and I say that anger [Am I wrongly misplacing anger as the inverse of love? Ought I replace "love" with "joy?"] certainly has it's share of pleasure, too.

I've been thinking a bit about that, Alfonso. I wouldn't call anger the inverse of love (or joy). Don't know if love or joy have an inverse in the first place.

Anyway, I think I understand what you mean. I also had a time a few years ago where I was angry all the time. But I wasn't suffering while being angry, I was euphorically angry. It lasted almost one year, and in this time I achieved a lot of things that were neither easy nor pleasant but that needed to be done in order for me to free myself and grow. My anger gave me a tremendous energy to do that, it was a huge motivation and pushed me to do things I wouldn't have done without it. So, yes, anger can be something positive, it can give you energy and courage. And anger is a useful indicator too. It's a sign that there is something in your life that you don't like. So you can identify the next target.

I think it depends on how you feel while being angry. It's bad if you feel hate or if you're suffering.

There's nothing wrong with it. I would say, it might be one step for you, but take care not to remain stuck there. There's a time where you might need anger to progress, and there's a time where you don't need it anymore. It's not wrong, it's just so unnecessary. You can achieve everything without it. You can "box" yourself through life without it. You can get your decisions accepted without it.

Abraham say that feelings give you feedback about what you're manifesting in your life. When you feel good, you're manifesting something you want. When you feel bad, you're manifesting something you don't want. So, do you feel good or bad while being angry?

[Asmoday]

I'd like to add an insight from Vajrayana Buddhism.

It is said that each of the negative emotions has a pure form in the enlightened mind, which the ego then corrupts into a false form.

In the case of anger, the energy of origin is actually a crystal clear focus on the present moment, like a summoning of complete stillness needed for important action.

Of course, as the ego attaches to rejecting a certain aspect of the environment, this crystal clear focus is corrupted into a rage at that situation.

As a darkworker, didn't have much useful to add, but I thought that might help.

The pinnacle of the lightworker path, in my observation, is the light warrior. Difficult to reach -- Martin Luther King, Ghandi, mythically Robin Hood, etc -- but very powerful indeed.