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Old 06-27-2007, 09:54 PM
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So one of the things I did not like about the idea of working is that you have to pay taxes on your salary. I'm not sure exactly how much it is though. Is it like a certain percent of your paycheck they take out for income tax (I'm 18 and know nothing)? Anyway, I just watched a very interesting video that states over and over that paying income taxes in VOLUNTARY, not mandatory. The video is called Freedom To Fascism.

However, people still go to jail because they don't pay the IRS income taxes. There have been a few people who were able to successfully fight it in court, basically they just said "Show me the law that states I HAVE to pay income taxes." Naturally, I'm still afraid of not paying them when I get a job because I don't want to go to jail. Is there any surefire method of not getting jailed for this?
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:38 PM
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Is there any surefire method of not getting jailed for this?
In one word, "No." We live in a society where everyone has to contribute for whatever services we enjoy... like road and sidewalks... police, garbage collection and a million and one other services...

So, my advice to you is to forget about the notion of not paying taxes... and enjoy a nice life...

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I am not US citizen so i can not speak for you, but generally the notion is that you don't have to pay Federal taxes... the only problem is that US is becoming more and more fascist state ("Patriot" act) where "they" (the bankers & military complex) can skin you many times over and turn your life into living hell just for defying their self imposed criminal oligopoly..

BTW don't worry that US is only country with that sorrow state of politics.. we are all in the same ************ because criminals (the real ones who steal billions & trillions) and keep everyone else under forced servitude are in every government echelon..

So my poor "boy" you are in the same ************ with rest of us unless you have brass balls and become one of "them"... even then you must be afraid of "them" and live in the constant fear of being "put away" either in jail cell or cemetery cell block...

So.. be and obedient citizen and pay the taxes...
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Paying out the money in taxes doesn't seem so unfair once you realise what they are for just as Shamou suggests.

While there are always government spending we don't agree with we can't avoid using the services that those taxes pay for.

What would happen if nobody paid their taxes? How would you get rid of your trash?

Personally, if I managed to avoid paying taxes I would feel a hypocrite just walking down the street as it's public money that put it there.
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You are already paying taxes for everything (roads, schools, hospitals, museums,...)

What is specific is that US citizens are paying extra Federal tax that is actually not even legally approved.. imagine if you payed European tax by decree? You are already paying exorbitant UK tax and now put on that EU tax..

I have relatives in UK and they are not happy that from their tax money live hundreds of thousand of immigrants that are there only because of the social paycheck that don't contribute almost nothing to economy excerpt of producing future low class workers that are already surpassed by today's standards (with few exceptions of highly educated and motivated people that will contribute to UK economic growth)

Most of today taxes go back to repayment of "debt"..

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You're telling me that you would still pay taxes even if you didn't HAVE to? I think our government screws us enough as it is. Plus, from what I've read, we don't see a penny back from the income taxes we pay. But then again, I would rather pay a small fee than to go to jail. BUT, then again, isn't it kind of 1984-ish to be afraid of our government?
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isn't it kind of 1984-ish to be afraid of our government?
LOL.. you ARE living in 1984-ish like government...
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Most of today taxes go back to repayment of "debt"..
What the Government should do is to declare bankruptcy and start the country under another name... that would take care of the national debt...

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Speaking of debt, did you know that the Federal Reserve is a private bank? It's very scary to think that I'm using money that is 1. Backed by nothing, and 2. Doesn't really have anything to do with our government.
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Hey restrikted. My views are the same are yours, but perhaps a bit more extreme- that taxes are legalized thievery. I would suggest for you to check out the Free State Project for more information on stuff like this.

Asking the IRS to show you the law forcing you to pay taxes doesn't work. Not because it isn't true, but because most of the jury is like a lot of this forum, and doesn't give a ************ about freedom. If you want to know how to best argue taxes, pm me.
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You could live in a country so corrupt that the government can't collect taxes... of course then there's other "taxes" on your freedom like elections being heavily influenced by bribes, a percentage of elected officials being executed because the wrong person won, and various levels of government deciding that the land you live on is theirs now (for that person's private benefit of course... you didn't think they did it for the greater good did you?).

In the end if you want to live among other people you can't do everything 100% your way (at least not for any extended period of time, and not without great expense). Want total freedom? Find a remote forest - try Alaska.
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It's quite simple. Just stop getting income.
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The best way to reduce tax is to start a business/company/trust so you can claim back a lot of different expenses.

See an advisor.

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find a rich partner, stop working, earn no income and pay no taxes. heh.
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you have to pay to play.......... it is that simple

nobody wants to pay taxes, but we have to despiste our protest, the only way to get out of it is NOT to work.....
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Move to Monaco.
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Taxes will get you, one way or another. You can avoid state income taxes by moving to Texas, Florida or Tennessee. The feds follow you no matter where you are, unfortunately.
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I mean, taxes are a part of life. I saw that documentary and even though I feel that what the government is doing is wrong, I would much rather live in a country like this than a country in poverty or a country that does not have adequate funding for its roads, policemen, firefighters, etc. (Although I am mad that the government uses much of our tax money to go to war.)
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Don't forget about a major cause of the American Revolution....

The Founding Fathers reluctance to pay British taxes
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Isn't that what it was called? Seems to me that's pretty much what we have today. I don't consider what goes in Washington representation.
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Isn't that what it was called? Seems to me that's pretty much what we have today. I don't consider what goes in Washington representation.
Who's to blame for that...??? We, non Americans, did not elect Bush and his merry band...

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Paying out the money in taxes doesn't seem so unfair once you realise what they are for just as Shamou suggests.
Nahhh.... it don't go (bad english on purpose) to streets, bla, bla, bla, it goes mainly towards financing the Bankers & Military complex as Mayo correctly said.

Cost of War - National Priorities Project

Shamou, I'm beginning to think you're one of them by your comments and worldviews........

Income tax is voluntary look it up.
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  1. Register republican
  2. Vote for Ron Paul in the primaries
  3. Vote for him as president
  4. Never have to worry about it again.
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I think Dharma has a point. I'm not affiliated with either party(I would consider myself to be a Libertarian, if you need a label), but Ron Paul has some great ideas, and could possibly be the best in the field. He seems to revert back to the GOP platform of old -namely, limited government.

I would encourage those of you interested in this upcoming election to listen to his views and decide for yourself. He's onto something.