the SBI thread, tips, tricks and success stories

[alexplatups]

Originally Posted by 90802

Rebecca and others,

Alex-

You believe someone must have 500 pages of content before they can be successful? That's a hell of a lot of content! Are there even that many concepts that have 500 or more profitable and relevant keywords (keywords with demand over 100)?

Thanks everyone, and I should have some valuable insight over the next 2 months

If you want massive traffic from the organic engine searches, which is believed to be the traffic that converts really well, then 500 keywords is a good number to aim at.

Of course if you have 100 *killer* keywords that have high demand and low
competition, you will get good traffic, especially if you work on your link
building a little, but still, it is obvious the more keywords you have used
to create pages with high quality content, the more traffic these keywords
will produce

I believe Steve has about 700 keyword combinations that he has used when
creating all of his articles that are in the archive, and it seems to be working
out really well for him

Many high traffic websites have more than 500 keywords, but they are not all profitable of course, and for some only long tail keyword combinations bring traffic, but still the more pages you have with one main keyword that you optimized it for the more traffic you will have from the search engines

[Bene]

Hey Rebecca, thanks for the informative reply.

So how is the profitability index calculated by SBI, do you know? Does SBI have some sort of statistics it pulls data from that looks at different monetization methods and their success in that particular niche/subject area?

And I am guessing that I have to become a member to access this feature?

[90802]

Ugh!

I thought i had it figgered out, then I get another fooking curveball thrown at me.

I had what I thought was a hot keyword. In the free wordtracker tool, it returned over 400 daily searches, for a six word keyword. I got excited, but wasn't sure what to make of it, so I posted in Tomaz's thread. He replied, telling me I could build it, but it probably wouldn't get much traffic. He said check AdWords for that keyword. Not enough searches for a result. Booooooooooo!!!

Should I just trust the Brainstorm It results, or figger out some way to average all three together? Or should I just stop thinking and start writing?

[Henri J]

I agree with Alex that should aim for 300-500 pages in the long-run, there's no rush though, I'm talking within 3-4 years. If you can find 150-200 GREAT keywords then you can probably start your building!

90802, picking Tier 3s for Tier 2s I just pick the most relevant keywords that are under 100 supply and over 200ish demand. I also encourage you to brainstorm other words or synonyms to your Tier 2, you might find some pretty interesting keywords.

I myself like to outline my whole site (or at least about 200 pages) before I start building, that way I have to brainstorm and make sure I have profitable keywords because it would suck getting stuck at 100ish keywords when you've been building your site for a year and discover that there's nowhere to go (not that a 100 site can't be successful, of course it can!).

There are lots of problems you can run in to, for example you might have so many similar keywords that your site will look weird if you use them all. You might discover that your keywords weren't so good after all. That is why I like laying it all out, this forces me to see if it will work or not.

Tips for finding keywords: Look at competitors, think of words or phrases your visitors might choose, think about similar words (cars vs automobile for example), use different forms (combining vs combination).

Again.. You don't need to have 500+ pages, this might feel overwhelming, so just plan those initial 150-200 good keywords. If you have that, you are ready to start building. When you're done with those, you can build some more content or do whatever you like, you will get good traffic IF your keywords are good, content is good and links are good. The better your keywords the less links you need.

Hope this helps!

[90802]

Henri,

Thanks for the feedback. You are a much more patient man than I am While I don't think I'll be able to outline an entire site before I get writing, you have given me a great idea...

I'm going to spend one hour per day building up a list of new keywords. I'll keep on that list, and work at it until I get to around 250 pages. If I get really hot and bothered, I'll keep it up for an additional 100 pages . I really don't know if there's enough about songwriting to cover 5-700 pages. Heck, I think SBI recommends you start a new site after reaching around 350 pages.

Oh, and what do you folks think about having a Tier 2 page w/o having any Tier 3's beneath it? Good, bad, or ugly?

Chris

[Henri J]

That sounds like a good idea 90802, whatever works for you!

The main reason I like to outline my site before I start is because sometimes a site can look good from every aspect but then you find out that you really don't have enough Tier 3s to put under those Tier 2s (at least not relevant ones).

As for your question, I don't like making Tier 2s without Tier 3s underneath it because Tier 3s are made to bring traffic from low supply keywords AND strengthen your Tier 2. This is why I strive for at least 10 Tier 3s under every Tier 2.

Why does each Tier 3 strengthen a Tier 2? Because each Tier 3 links back to it's home (Tier 2) and therefore gives it more link strength. So I highly recommend that you try and have 10-20 Tier 3s under your Tier 2

About the amount of pages, I wouldn't worry about that. Some like to grow large websites and some like to do several, I prefer both but it takes a lot of time so it is understandable to not do it, you could outsource the content after awhile when your website is making enough money.

Good luck!

[alexplatups]

As always HenriJ provides amazing advice, and has helped me tremendously
in realizing many of the mistakes that I was making while creating my own
site using SBI

There are many variables that have to be taken into account when you
choose how big of a site you will build and how many words you will actually
use. No doubt the structure with 10-20 excellent low supply keywords
underneath each tier2 is the ultimate sitebuilding approach

But everything starts with your goal, objective, target, or result that you
actually are planning on achieving when it is all said and done

if you want to make $1,000 a month you will take one approach, if you want
to make $10,000 or more than you will take another approach

the end result must always dictate the process that you will use, and it is the
actual desire to bring this end result into reality that will keep you behind
your computer on a daily basis

so if you are creating one site or a hundred sites, knowing your true desire is
what will provide that non-stop motivation to keep learning and to keep
moving toward your goal without quitting, giving up or throwing in the white
towel when the going gets tough

...and at least for me it is hard to work on a daily basis on my site and my
300 page e-book, but I am behind my computer 7 days a week, ten hours
per day, typing, typing and typing some more, and learning from anyone that
produces results in real life, and not from people that have produced only
*ideas* about how something should be produced

creating long term success is all about learning and then implementing, then
learning some more, and then implementing again, and so on until you
eventually hit the main target that you were aiming at

when you stop learning something new, it is only a matter of time, when you
start rolling backwards and end up where you started

[yoopersmith]

Hey all,

I hit 21 avgerage visitors per day in May!!! I am going to start doing "M"!

I plan to start with paraliminals and Amazon for now and maybe some google AdSense...

THANKS! for all of your support and advice.

...I check this thread at least once a day to learn about my mistakes . I don't tell what they are, just...read say, whoops! and then go fix my site...

ok..I will fess up...I had to fix two tier-2 pages due to bad keyword choices...not too bad.

Sending warm waves of graditude...

Yoops

[90802]

Do any of you ever have to jump through hoops to make your keywords work? I want to use a keyword, but the keyword is "song verses". I can't, for the life of me, think of ways that it will fit properly into a sentence, much less being repeated several times throughout the page!

I did a search on song verses, and none of the top results had "song verses" listed as a keyword, and none of them even had those two words put together. I imagine I will fail analyzer if I don't put it together just like that, but is it something I should really be that concerned about?

I've thought of a few things like: "In a song, verses are used to...blah blah", or, "check out the following song verses"

I don't know how else I could squeeze those words in there. Bah humbag!!!

[Daffy Duck]

"Writing great song verses?"

[Holistic Star]

You could use your keyword as mini-headers throughout the page and then write your paragraph underneath it. It all counts as keywords on the page!

Song Verses and the Middle 8

Rhyming Patterns in famous Song Verses

Changing Key between Song Verses

Tricky Song Verses to sing

Song Verses that were censored

Song Verses based on traditional songs

etc

[90802]

Mr Star, it looks like you've been at this sort of thing for a while Or maybe I'm just so confuzzled that I miss the simple solutions.

Oh, I did learn something that will keep me from having to jump through language hoops...stop words! Apparently the search engines ignore them (and punctuation), so I'll be able to put my pages together in Standard English, not Internets English

[ImtrouncingU]

Hey guys, what is a good number of words for a tier 2 page? How about a tier 3 page?

[Holistic Star]

Originally Posted by 90802

Mr Star, it looks like you've been at this sort of thing for a while Or maybe I'm just so confuzzled that I miss the simple solutions.

Oh, I did learn something that will keep me from having to jump through language hoops...stop words! Apparently the search engines ignore them (and punctuation), so I'll be able to put my pages together in Standard English, not Internets English

That's Mrs Star to you!

I find it much easier to spot ideas for other people that for myself! My site is very new and has only 7 pages at the moment (and some of those are just contact and sitemap stuff!) Will be posting a link on this thread in a few days for initial comments.

Stop words are good to. Don't overuse them, but they can help get you out of tight spaces.

[alexplatups]

Originally Posted by ImtrouncingU

Hey guys, what is a good number of words for a tier 2 page? How about a tier 3 page?

for a tier 2 page as long as you need to get your point across, I think from
1500 words to 2000 is fine, as long as you can write high quality content
that will keep your reader...well reading what you actually wrote there

tier 3 probably from 500 to 1000, but in the end, I think each page should
be as long as it has to be. Think about what your target traffic really wants
and write your pages taking into account these wants

you can also find the top competitors and look how long their pages are, and
then look in Alexa how long the average reader is on their site

the length will depend how deep you want to cover whatever you are writing
about, so in the end, there can only be opinions in this area...imo

and these are my opinions about page length

[ImtrouncingU]

Thanks Alex, I am really digging your site

[rhonda524]

Could someone explain what a tier 2 and tier 3 page is?

[90802]

A Tier 2 page will have a link on the homepage, and a Tier 3 page will be linked from a Tier 2 page, not the homepage.

So, if you had a site about Las Vegas (about casinos, shows, restaurants, etc), a Tier 2 page could be "Las Vegas Hotels". A Tier 3 page would be something like "Cheap Las Vegas Hotels", "Expensive Las Vegas Hotels", Hard Rock Hotel Las Vegas" and so on.

Does that make sense?

If not, I'm sure a smarty pants will come along and pretty it up

[Marce]

Hey everyone
this question may sound a little stupid but I really need to know so I figured Id ask
Ok, so I understand that you pay for SBI through pay pal
however, when your site starts making money, does the money go to your pay pal account or...?
Thanks
Sorry if it sounds stupid, I dont have much experience

[alexplatups]

ImtrouncingU,

I am glad you like my site, I have been working on it for a while, actually
about 6 months straight, and also I just finished writing a 300+ page weight
loss e-book, which I will put up on my site in about two weeks

it will have something unique, which is a formula for creating permanent
fat loss, and this has nothing to do with daily calorie intake, nitrient ratios,
meal frequency, cardio training or weight training. Of course this is included
but I will explain in full detail why people can't create long term weight loss,
and what is most important how to change this and start moving toward
creating a lean, healthy body and reaching their ideal weight

Mace,

when you start making money everything will depend what source you will
make money from, and when you start working with this source, you will
have a choice of options from which to choose from

before this time arrives, and if you sign up with SBI, you will first have a lot
of work to do while building your site, plus in the SBI forums you can read
about the many ways that everyone gets paid

[tbc32]

What is an SBI site?

[alexplatups]

Originally Posted by tbc32

What is an SBI site?

Site Build It

read this, it fully explains everything in full detail

[90802]

I have a question for you experienced writers. When you write your Tier 2 pages, do you already have content ready for your Tier 3 pages? I guess I'm trying to figure out the best way to go about building my site. I don't know if I should wait until I have several Tier 3's ready to go, or build a Tier 2, and edit it as i add in more links?

Looking at Rebecca's site has made me wonder about this. Her Tier 2's have a short intro, then go straight into the Tier 3 pages. Ahh it's so confusing!

So, how do you folks do it?

[alexplatups]

Originally Posted by 90802

I have a question for you experienced writers. When you write your Tier 2 pages, do you already have content ready for your Tier 3 pages? I guess I'm trying to figure out the best way to go about building my site. I don't know if I should wait until I have several Tier 3's ready to go, or build a Tier 2, and edit it as i add in more links?

Looking at Rebecca's site has made me wonder about this. Her Tier 2's have a short intro, then go straight into the Tier 3 pages. Ahh it's so confusing!

So, how do you folks do it?

everyone does it differently I m sure, but in my opinion, it is good to have
your tier 3 words in front of you when you write your tier 2

the tier 2 is the most important pages for your readers, this is where you
should have very high quality content, that covers the topic of that page
in great detail. So it should be written first

and the tier 3s can be inserted after you create the tier 2, they can be
intext links, or they can be at the bottom of the page as links that are
called related articles or questions, or whatever

so tier 3s should be written once you have written your tier2, because the
tier3s are really meant to drive the traffic to your site in the beginning when
your site is young, as it matures most of your traffic will come from tier2s
if you have picked the right numbers for them (demand, supply, profitability)

the thing is, your site is your personal *creation* so the way I do it, or
someone else does it might not work for you, everything depends on your
topic and your targeted readers, how many keywords you will be using for
the tier 3s and a thousand other things that can make your site different
from anyone elses

focus on your targeted traffic, and imagine that you are writing this for one
person and that he/she will be reading this.

How can you create your content on this page/or any other page so that
the information is valuable and useful to this reader?

if you do this, you will design your own approach to building your pages that
will work for you, and will create a high quaity content site that your readers
will want to visit on a regular basis, and then you can monetize from this
traffic, because of the true value you provided upfront

[Sam kovacs]

QUESTION: Can you put up forums on your site with SBI?

[alexplatups]

Originally Posted by Sam kovacs

QUESTION: Can you put up forums on your site with SBI?

yes, it is possible

[alexplatups]

Originally Posted by MetaFitX

Why would you set up your website first and then find a product to market?

the most important reason is to create a site that is focused on targeted
traffic, that have cetain needs and wants, if one product flops, you can sell
others. Plus the ideal with a profitable online site is to sell multiple products
and have many ways to make money from targeted traffic

Good example is this site, look at how many products Steve recommends,
plus he has his own book Personal Development for Smart People

and what drives the revenue, the content he created, and plus the content
we all create in this forum

so looking at how successful Steve's site is, you can see that creating a site
should come first (content rich site) and after that monetization should
follow, when there is targeted traffic that is pre-sold and is ready to buy
something you recommend

P.S. I am glad you liked my site, I do put a lot of work into creating it daily

[Travis5000]

Hello everyone,

My name is Travis and this is my first post in this forum. I also have been using SBI for about 3 weeks now and I find this forum thread extremely useful and everyone seems to be very friendly and helpful. My goals are to be helped along my journey and to help anyone that is in my shoes or anyone that could benefit from my experience with SBI thus far. So, in short, hello and I look forward to contributing to this forum.

[alexplatups]

Originally Posted by Travis5000

Hello everyone,

My name is Travis and this is my first post in this forum. I also have been using SBI for about 3 weeks now and I find this forum thread extremely useful and everyone seems to be very friendly and helpful. My goals are to be helped along my journey and to help anyone that is in my shoes or anyone that could benefit from my experience with SBI thus far. So, in short, hello and I look forward to contributing to this forum.

welcome Travis5000, look forward to your posts in here, and in the SBI
forums, there is definately lots of people always ready to help in both
places

[Henri J]

Great to have you here Travis.

I wonder if I can... oh there it is. I was thinking about how I can set notifications on this thread so I can get an e-mail every time someone posts in it.

Now that I have that set up I can help whenever I can as fast as I can. I just started working on 2 new websites. I'm doing one with my girlfriend and we're having a blast so far.

Good luck guys!