College is a Waste of Time

[Lupe]

YouTube - College is a Waste of Time

[Lupe]

YouTube - College is an Evil Debt Trap

[Lupe]

YouTube - What I "Learned" from College

[RRR]

YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (1/3)
YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (2/3)
YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (3/3)

[Lupe]

Originally Posted by RRR

YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (1/3)
YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (2/3)
YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (3/3)

In reality a $400 billion-per-year industry driven by fear and more interested in espousing leftist dogma than in learning.

[Lupe]

Originally Posted by RRR

YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (1/3)
YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (2/3)
YouTube - Penn & Teller: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! College (3/3)

Somebody left this message on the 1st video:

You can even earn a degree by what is call challenging an exam. You can study and then ask to challenge an exam, and to where you should start in teaching yourself is... a book.

Is this true?

[Lupe]

YouTube - Great Jobs Without A Degree

[Xanafax]

*sigh*

It's always sad to see people who don't think further education is useful...

Oh well.

[Ninfoboo]

Originally Posted by Lupe

Somebody left this message on the 1st video:

Quote:
You can even earn a degree by what is call challenging an exam. You can study and then ask to challenge an exam, and to where you should start in teaching yourself is... a book.

Is this true?

To my knowledge its close, but a tad inaccurate. There are certain courses that you can challenge on and take either a single exam, or a series of exams, and then test out of if you pass. By testing out of them you receive the college credit you would've gotten had you sat in class all semester and passed.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

*sigh*

It's always sad to see people who don't think further education is useful...

Oh well.

I don't think anyone would deny that education itself is useful. Education, however, does not mean schooling.

There are numerous flaws in the college system, and classroom learning isn't for everyone. Someone should only expend the time and the resources if college would be a beneficial way for them to learn, or they have to have a degree for their chosen profession.

[Brutha]

The Aims of Education Address (for the class of 2006) (from a professor that tells students at the orientation week that being at college won't increase their chances in the job market)

[Xanafax]

Further Education, College or University is a framework. If you are ignorant enough to go to University just so you can get a better job your a fool. If you go to University because you think you'll just soak up the knowledge they give out, your also a fool.

Going to University is NOT a waste of time. It provides a structure within which you can safely and constructively do your own learning and apply it in ways devised through experience. It allows places to live, food and support whilst you do this, and doesn't necessitate getting a job to support it.

It is hard work, and it provides people with excellent skills you cannot necessarily learn through your own endeavours, no matter how "Entrepreneurial", "Enterprising" or "intelligent" you are.

It WILL give you better chances in the jobs market if your intuitive enough to pick up on the skills which allow it, if your just going along because you want a BSc. next to your name, well...nothing more need be said.

[RRR]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

Further Education, College or University is a framework. If you are ignorant enough to go to University just so you can get a better job your a fool. If you go to University because you think you'll just soak up the knowledge they give out, your also a fool.

This is what most colleges provide as reason to attend.

Going to University is NOT a waste of time. It provides a structure within which you can safely and constructively do your own learning and apply it in ways devised through experience. It allows places to live, food and support whilst you do this, and doesn't necessitate getting a job to support it.

You can also buy books on your own and study on the internet. College doesn't "Allow" you a place to live, it CHARGES you for a place to live. MY college had massively overpriced housing and massively over priced food. Doesn't necessitate getting a job? College is wildly expensive! Of course it necessitates getting a job, do you realize how many people are massively in debt from their college education?

It is hard work, and it provides people with excellent skills you cannot necessarily learn through your own endeavours, no matter how "Entrepreneurial", "Enterprising" or "intelligent" you are.

It was NOT hard work. I skipped all of my classes and only went to exams and wrote papers (unless there was punishment for excessive skipping). I got just below a 3.0 doing this. I had one class I could have passed in 5th grade. MY experience was the most simplistic drivel imaginable. If you showed up and had a brain, you damn well should get an A. I have learned far more in the months since dropping out of college than I ever learned within it.

It WILL give you better chances in the jobs market if your intuitive enough to pick up on the skills which allow it, if your just going along because you want a BSc. next to your name, well...nothing more need be said.

That is why most people go to college. That is why college is not good, because it promotes that way of attending.

[Elrond]

So Xanafax, are you knowledgable about the american college system/have gone to an american college OR are you just talking about universities in general?

[Lupe]

I have learned far more in the months since dropping out of college than I ever learned within it.

Cool! I was thinking I should drop out and then get a job at McDonald and do some blogging to earn money. Of course not easy but...

If it takes me 4 years to be good enough to earn substantial income from blogging, then 4 years of college would be an excruciating waste of time!

[Xanafax]

I am talking about the British University system. I honestly don't understand the negativity towards it.

Is it just because it's an establishment that some people have to feel as though its something to rebel against or what?

[Lupe]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

I am talking about the British University system. I honestly don't understand the negativity towards it.

Is it just because it's an establishment that some people have to feel as though its something to rebel against or what?

It's education system is inefficient and only gets you the paper so that you can go be a higher-wage slave.

[Xanafax]

Well I want to be a self-employed Psychologist, the only way to do that is to gain a degree certified by the British Psychological Association...

Which requires going to university.

[Lupe]

Originally Posted by Xanafax

Well I want to be a self-employed Psychologist, the only way to do that is to gain a degree certified by the British Psychological Association...

Which requires going to university.

The value of degree only rests in the opinions of generality. Just debunk that and then study on your own and show people that you can be trusted, and surpass all degree-holding psychologists.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Lupe

The value of degree only rests in the opinions of generality. Just debunk that and then study on your own and show people that you can be trusted, and surpass all degree-holding psychologists.

Easier said than done, lad. You're not thinking about the legal ramifications that course of action would have.

Could you serve a similar purpose? You certainly could, but you'd have to be a self-help author or a life coach or something of the sort because you'd get tossed in jail if you did much else. Maybe, maybe, someone who's really exceptional could change the system this way, but most people aren't going to be capable of it so it's impractical advice.

Like it or not, you have to get a degree for some professions. It's not necessary for everything as society would have you believe, but if you want to be a doctor, or a lawyer, or a psychologist, you've got no other choice.

[ruchirkc]

Yeah, I have to agree. If you want to be a psychologist/lawyer/doctor, or any other similar profession then you have no choice but to get a degree.

But if you want to become a marketer, or a businessman, then I don't think it's necessary for one to get a degree.

[lifetimelearner]

loved it !!!!!!!!!

kids really need to hear that esp the ones that are pressured into careers by their brainwashing parents


yes if you have the passion for something and know for sure this is IT for you then go to college

but do not waste valuable time and money getting a degree you hate because it will help you make you money
and then be in debt and hate your job like me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[borisg]

you sound just like me when I was in my early twenty's.

I'm now 40....MAN WAS I EVER WRONG!!!

Let me save you twenty years here.....

Figure out what your passion in life is...at this moment anyway...

and then enroll in school (college/university) in classes that are related or offshoots of what your passion is. Pick a major and finish it.

Not only will you meet like minded people and learn alot more than you know now, you will in the end have a very valuable piece of paper that will help you in all kinds of ways should your passion change....and believe me...it will...many times over probably.

I was stubborn as a mule and did not listen to my parents about college...they were so right..

Don't end up on some forum twenty years from now giving advice to some know it all young whipper snapper about finishing college.

I'm in the process of completing my bachelors in marketing management now and finishing this endeavor will be a shining moment in my life. After twenty years in the workplace in different fields and levels I know for a fact how valuable a degree is.

Please don't sell yourself short...the patterns you are setting now will follow you for many years...and I see a pattern of taking short cuts to riches in you!
It doesn't work..you may have read too many "how to make money on the internet" blogs...

Now get your _ _ _ in school .... you'll thank me later.

[lifetimelearner]

Originally Posted by borisg

you sound just like me when I was in my early twenty's.

I'm now 40....MAN WAS I EVER WRONG!!!

Let me save you twenty years here.....

Figure out what your passion in life is...at this moment anyway...

and then enroll in school (college/university) in classes that are related or offshoots of what your passion is. Pick a major and finish it.

Not only will you meet like minded people and learn alot more than you know now, you will in the end have a very valuable piece of paper that will help you in all kinds of ways should your passion change....and believe me...it will...many times over probably.

I was stubborn as a mule and did not listen to my parents about college...they were so right..

Don't end up on some forum twenty years from now giving advice to some know it all young whipper snapper about finishing college.

I'm in the process of completing my bachelors in marketing management now and finishing this endeavor will be a shining moment in my life. After twenty years in the workplace in different fields and levels I know for a fact how valuable a degree is.

Please don't sell yourself short...the patterns you are setting now will follow you for many years...and I see a pattern of taking short cuts to riches in you!
It doesn't work..you may have read too many "how to make money on the internet" blogs...

Now get your _ _ _ in school .... you'll thank me later.

yeh now that I realize it
I would have studied archaelogy and I would have had a focus on religious archaelogy

[borisg]

It takes years of working at dead end jobs to realize what their calling or passion really is...

too many of us we endeavor for years in a career that we "fall into"..

college/university is a place where you can weed out and filter your dislikes and likes before you get out into the real world...

at least that's how I would use it now if I could go back twenty years.

[RRR]

of course you realize..you can do that..for free..on the internet..and in libraries... for free...

I did use that method in college. In fact I used it throughout my entire school career K-12.:

Likes: Not being bored.
Dislikes: lectures, homework, pointless assignments, stupid topics, snooty professors, being fed BS PC talk, having my time wasted, paying to have my time wasted, being forced to have my time wasted (K-12).

I am not saying this works for everyone.. But compared to a 10 week course where I will lose my inspiration, be slowed down by other students, have to deal with incompetent professors, I can teach myself any subject very quickly and very well online or from a book. The internet has made colleges archaic, this will become very apparent in the next few years.

It wasn't until I dropped out of college and spent my time studying what interests me on the internet that I feel I have gained any valuable knowledge. In college, all I had that was of any value was StevePavlina.com. I had a bunch of BS Psych/Marketing/MIS classes that were utterly worthless. Now that I have dropped out I have studied lectures by legitimate intellectuals and I've studied legitimate fields of interest for me. I went to a pretty mediocre college, and I can only speak for my experience, but I was NEVER challenged, I was NEVER shown the merit of the "education" I was paying for.

[lifetimelearner]

I don't know why you have to repeat English's ,history and math classes that you took in high school

there should be an option for people
if you pay all that money for an education you should have choices !!

let me design the classes and then find me some gosh darn experts to teach it !!

[Lupe]

Originally Posted by RRR

of course you realize..you can do that..for free..on the internet..and in libraries... for free...

I did use that method in college. In fact I used it throughout my entire school career K-12.:

Likes: Not being bored.
Dislikes: lectures, homework, pointless assignments, stupid topics, snooty professors, being fed BS PC talk, having my time wasted, paying to have my time wasted, being forced to have my time wasted (K-12).

I am not saying this works for everyone.. But compared to a 10 week course where I will lose my inspiration, be slowed down by other students, have to deal with incompetent professors, I can teach myself any subject very quickly and very well online or from a book. The internet has made colleges archaic, this will become very apparent in the next few years.

It wasn't until I dropped out of college and spent my time studying what interests me on the internet that I feel I have gained any valuable knowledge. In college, all I had that was of any value was StevePavlina.com. I had a bunch of BS Psych/Marketing/MIS classes that were utterly worthless. Now that I have dropped out I have studied lectures by legitimate intellectuals and I've studied legitimate fields of interest for me. I went to a pretty mediocre college, and I can only speak for my experience, but I was NEVER challenged, I was NEVER shown the merit of the "education" I was paying for.

Exactly! Now can you tell me how to convince my parents to let me stay at home and start my online business?

I guess I will have to write up a business plan, and why I think I'm going to succeed.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by Lupe

Exactly! Now can you tell me how to convince my parents to let me stay at home and start my online business?

I guess I will have to write up a business plan, and why I think I'm going to succeed.

Think? -Know- you're going to succeed. Maybe not in the short term, but definitely in the long term.

Being an entrepreneur requires a lot of trial and error. It's gonna help if you're headstrong and persistent. You've got to be willing to go to any length to do this. I'm not talking about exploitation, I'm talking about time and sacrifice.

You want to convince your parents? Show them the fire in your belly. If that doesn't do it, get yourself a job, find yourself a roommate (to minimize expenses) and get to work. Time's a wastin', and you're not going to get anywhere if you rely on someone else's validation.

[Lupe]

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

Think? -Know- you're going to succeed. Maybe not in the short term, but definitely in the long term.

Being an entrepreneur requires a lot of trial and error. It's gonna help if you're headstrong and persistent. You've got to be willing to go to any length to do this. I'm not talking about exploitation, I'm talking about time and sacrifice.

You want to convince your parents? Show them the fire in your belly. If that doesn't do it, get yourself a job, find yourself a roommate (to minimize expenses) and get to work. Time's a wastin', and you're not going to get anywhere if you rely on someone else's validation.

They said that I would have to leave the house (homeless) if I don't go to college. But then, I would return in a few days and they probably would accept me back again (since no parents really want their child to be homeless). Then I'll get a job at McDonalds! Then I'll work on blogging! Yeah!