Why aren't lightworkers more focused on generating wealth

[dbates]

Throughout history wealth has provided individuals with the ability to have the greatest impact on the greatest number. Just think about it, the way that Bill Gates or Warren Buffet decides to allocate their wealth will effect far more people far more significantly than the volunteer efforts of someone who joins Green Peace or Teach for America or the Peace Corps ect.

Now there are those (like Mr. Pavlina) who have had significant impacts on many without using substantial financial means to do so. Yet for most it seems that the wide reach one's assets can have into the lives of others could significantly out due their direct efforts in this endeavor.

In Steve's series about lightworkers and in posts I read by those who identify themselves as such there is a noticeable disdain toward the idea of capitalist pursuits of wealth. I only wonder why this is, do self identified lightworkers view amassing wealth as inherently evil in that the ends of charity do not justify the means?

I don't know, maybe you can enlighten me.


For the record my capitalist pursuits are detailed in my signature, but if it isn't obvious already I believe significant wealth can be a means for much greater good.

[Ecce Homo]

If I had to guess I’d say that one reason is because they still buy that old canard about the love of money being the root of all evil.

Another reason is many great lightworker heroes, like Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi and Mother Teresa, were all conspicuously poor as well. What would Jesus do, they ask themselves? He'd be poor, that's what!

A third reason is their general disdain for the material world. The majority of those on the lightworker path tend to see the material world as something bad, something to transcend or overcome, which most definitely includes money. Spirit is where the ultimate truth is at, where god is at, where everything truly good is at. They believe you have to get past this plain ole physical world to get to the "good" stuff.

In fairness to Steve, he has written about this unfortunate state of affairs and tried to correct the misunderstanding. Who knows how well it’ll work?

[Orionjoel]

Quite an interesting topic, i have not really had a huge amount of time to fully understand these articles and put myself into either light or dark worker, i do really think that i pocess traits from both sides, as i think many people who do not specifically work towards one side would do.

I think that much of the distinction from one side to the other will come from people's personal motives, and while there is a great many lightworkers that help a lot of people, there are probably just as many that can amass some if not great wealth along the way.

It may also be a case that you will find that lightworkers may not find a need to make people aware of their actual wealth. Although far from rich, i am reasonably well off in comparison to many others at work, however i generally aim to keep this information from being known by to many. As i find how much you have in the bank compared to another can quickly have you being seen in a different light.

I am getting off track though and will be interested to see what other people think on this topic as well, and will definetly need to put some more study into the lightworker/darkworker articles.

[Ponce]

I always say that if a dumb Cuban refugee with a 10th grade education like myself can make it then anyone can also do it.

The problem with the school system in this country is that they teach you what they want you to learn and not what you should know... I consider the school system the skeleton or frame which you later on fill with knowledge.

I could be broke tomorrow and in six months I would once again own my own house, cars and toys.

Is not what you know but what you do with what you know.

[MattFYF]

Lightworkers believe contributing to others via your career or activities is a much more meaningful (and contributing!) way of living than working to amass a fortune. Also, lightworkers are all about service and connecting to others; money is secondary to making a difference in other's lives through individual (and group) service.

[jimbos123456]

I don't think people like buffet are lightworkers although they play them on TV! Have you ever seen that picture of buffet hanging out with the Rothschild crime family? I find that highly suspicious

[goldtoe360]

If you want to create wealth, it will help to understand what it is. Wealth is not the same thing as money. [3] Wealth is as old as human history. Far older, in fact; ants have wealth. Money is a comparatively recent invention.

Wealth is the fundamental thing. Wealth is stuff we want: food, clothes, houses, cars, gadgets, travel to interesting places, and so on. You can have wealth without having money. If you had a magic machine that could on command make you a car or cook you dinner or do your laundry, or do anything else you wanted, you wouldn't need money. Whereas if you were in the middle of Antarctica, where there is nothing to buy, it wouldn't matter how much money you had.

Wealth is what you want, not money. But if wealth is the important thing, why does everyone talk about making money? It is a kind of shorthand: money is a way of moving wealth, and in practice they are usually interchangeable. But they are not the same thing, and unless you plan to get rich by counterfeiting, talking about making money can make it harder to understand how to make money. - Paul Graham, How to Make Wealth

It's my guess that lightworkers find wealth through charity. Amassing large sums of money is not something that they desire.

I think that both lightworkers and darkworkers work on the same principle: to satisfy their desires. If that's the case then how can workers be classified as light and dark? That is one worker works based on the interest of others while the other works on the basis of self interest.

If the rewards of charity are priceless then so called 'lightworkers' would actually be the ones who are wealthy. And if being wealthy is inherently evil, then it is in fact the 'lightworkers' who are evil....interesting huh.

But that assumes the statement 'being wealthy is inherently evil' holds true.

[dbates]

@ ecce homo

I agree that many lightworker heroes were poor but I don't know if that is the only answer. Because at some point we all need money to sustain ourselves, and I think being in a position where that is never a concern makes you freer from the material world than the outright rejection of it.

However I think I side with Steve on the "where god is question" 10 Reasons You Should Never Have a Religion

@ jimbos

I too doubt that Buffet is a lightworker, however his choice of charitable donation will most likely have a far greater effect than lifetimes of good deeds by many lightworkers.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by dbates

@ ecce homo

I agree that many lightworker heroes were poor but I don't know if that is the only answer. Because at some point we all need money to sustain ourselves, and I think being in a position where that is never a concern makes you freer from the material world than the outright rejection of it.

However I think I side with Steve on the "where god is question" 10 Reasons You Should Never Have a Religion

The only answer to what? You asked why lightworkers aren't more focused on generating wealth and I gave you my best guesses, with a slightly cynical slant to it. Whether or not those guesses are true in any sense, on any level, is another question entirely.

[Still Growing]

From my experience there are more lightworkers in business than darkworkers....

From my definition lightworkers are focused on adding value, caring about people around them, positive, love based, giving the most of themselves, etc.

From my definition of darkworkers they are takers, what do I get out of it, what can I take, fear, I want to be rich but I'm afraid, jealous, etc.

I have definitely seen darkworkers that own businesses but in order to succeed they mask themselves as Lightworkers as best they can.

[Brutha]

Have you ever seen that picture of buffet hanging out with the Rothschild crime family?

Do you really think that being a darkworker is hereditary?

Families aren't homogenous and a lot of children don't exactly follow the ideals of their parents. What bad thing have the present rodshild generation done, that you think that they are darkworker?

Now there are those (like Mr. Pavlina) who have had significant impacts on many without using substantial financial means to do so.

Pavlina isn't the best example. Someone like Einstein had a lot of influence and will be remembered for a long time.

If you get a lot of people to follow your ideas because they think that the ideas are right, you have more impact than you have through getting people to act because you pay them.

[lasti]

As a lightworker you can bring light to the world without money. Why should your waste your time to create wealth you can maybe spend in the future for the good of all when you can now spend your time for the good of all?
Besides that I think that time is much more worth than money.

[dbates]

@ ecce homo

your right, I went off on a tangent without clarifying, poorly articulated on my part.

@ brutha

Pavlina may not be the best example but I would say Einstein isn't a terribly good one either. It wasn't until he petitioned Roosevelt that the president decided to commission the study and eventual creation of atomic weapons. Although Einstein played almost no role in its creation he did help pave the way for the most effective tool of genocide humanity has ever seen.

Also just because you have money doesn't mean that you must pay people to believe what you do. Bill Gates wants to eradicate malaria from the developing world, I dont think you have to pay too many people into believing the worthiness of that cause.

[Brutha]

It wasn't until he petitioned Roosevelt that the president decided to commission the study and eventual creation of atomic weapons. Although Einstein played almost no role in its creation he did help pave the way for the most effective tool of genocide humanity has ever seen.

You completly miss the point. It's not about the results of action but about the mindset and the intention of actions when you want to judge someone as either lightworker or darkworker.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Brutha

You completly miss the point. It's not about the results of action but about the mindset and the intention of actions when you want to judge someone as either lightworker or darkworker.

Which is why Steve is a great example.

Originally Posted by lasti

As a lightworker you can bring light to the world without money. Why should your waste your time to create wealth you can maybe spend in the future for the good of all when you can now spend your time for the good of all?

Besides that I think that time is much more worth than money.

This statement is a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by lasti

As a lightworker you can bring light to the world without money. Why should your waste your time to create wealth you can maybe spend in the future for the good of all when you can now spend your time for the good of all?
Besides that I think that time is much more worth than money.

I agree that you can bring light into the world without money.

BUT, why would one waste time creating wealth? Obviously, money is a representation of time. Money can buy food for the hungry, shelter for the homeless and so on.

Many people don't understand how to create weath, others think that wealth is bad but its my opinion that they are loosing perspective on what money is. Its just a representation of stored, time and energy measured in units.

[dbates]

Originally Posted by Brutha

You completly miss the point. It's not about the results of action but about the mindset and the intention of actions when you want to judge someone as either lightworker or darkworker.

Wasn't the intention of Einstein's actions to convince the president to allow the brightest scientists in the world to work on a weapon of mass destruction capable of the aforementioned results. I'm sure Einstein was well aware of the potential ramifications of his decision and the impact it could have on humanity.

[Orionjoel]

By the sounds of most of the conversation it would seem that more so the wealthy may share some tendacies of both the dark and light workers. For example i would have to assume that both Buffet and Gates did not get to where they are by not using some of the tendancies of a dark worker, however in their charitable pursuit's they would have to be using some if not many of the lightworker traits.

In so much as saying this, i have read an article or something recently which spelled out an the idea, that for each new millionaire, up to 10 new jobs can be created in that general area. Which when you think about it may seem not entirely possible, however when you do think about it more it could easily be the case. The fact is that if you have wealth unless you keep it in a bag and live no where near civilisation then you are creating jobs.

I think no matter if someone can be generally defined as a light or dark worker, pretty much everyone shares some traits of the other.

[supertom]

i think this lightworker/darkworker thing is flawed big time, most likely by new age who want to be lightworkers and call wealthy darkworkers.

my aunty calls herself a light worker, but she spends her time arguing about someone

[lifeforce]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

From my experience there are more lightworkers in business than darkworkers....

From my definition lightworkers are focused on adding value, caring about people around them, positive, love based, giving the most of themselves, etc.

From my definition of darkworkers they are takers, what do I get out of it, what can I take, fear, I want to be rich but I'm afraid, jealous, etc.

I have definitely seen darkworkers that own businesses but in order to succeed they mask themselves as Lightworkers as best they can.

....in defence of darkworkers, I think we judge them too harshly. I think unpolarized peope (me for example) are can be more un-trust worthy and backstabbing than polarized darkworkers. Because we use both polarities as it suits us and have no real power and influence to do anything, or no real feeling of oneness and unconditional love to help people on a mass scale.

For example, in the US, there are a millions of sociopaths, antisosial people, druggies, criminals and what not. I think some people have had run ins with a sociopath or two. Not a higher conscious darkworker.

There are also alot of low concsious people in general. If you're at a low consciouness level, I think it really matters little wich way you polarize. You'd suck nomatter what. Just read the power vs force post.

I can only say that I disagree on your perspective of darkworkers. It is definately a DARK path, but only as a means for personal growt. Wich does NOT equal becoming a sociopath. If the growth you do is in the negative and you become less concsious, thats a pretty bad deal. And since Steve himself has written that both are equally valid paths to enlightenment, it should be obvious that you actually become a better person.

If you want, you could on over to Welcome to the Crimson Curtain! and see what a darkworker is about from a highly concsious darkworkers perspetive. Instead of a biased lightworkers perspective. I'm not taking anything away from steves articles. But no doubt, they are definately biased. And we all know that biased oppinions tend to be heavly in favor of one side and pretty much in the negative towards the other side.

Just remember. If a lightworker generates massive outflow, the universe will give you massive returns. If you don't receve you'll limit your ability to give.

Likewhise a darkworker creates massive inflow, and the universe will suck value out again. If the darkworker dont give back value to the universe, he will limit his ability to aquire and achieve what he wants.

[Brutha]

Wasn't the intention of Einstein's actions to convince the president to allow the brightest scientists in the world to work on a weapon of mass destruction capable of the aforementioned results. I'm sure Einstein was well aware of the potential ramifications of his decision and the impact it could have on humanity.

1) He didn't thought that it would turn out that bad. And thought that Hiroshima was a great tragedy.
2) Einstein was interested in scientific truth.
The letter was truthful so he signed it.
3) If you flee as a jew from Germany at the time Hitler ruled and get accepted in America you feel like you have to give something back.
It's not the best time to protest against war.

[Still Growing]

Lifeforce,
I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree...

Actually I don't agree with the labels lightworker vs darkworker... I think 99% of people are shades of gray and the 1% that are completely dark or completely light most likely are not wealth builders.

My post however is in rebuttal of the person who asked "Why Lightworkers don't create wealth". I see that many people reading this blog mistakenly think that they are lightworkers and that lightworkers cannot be business people. Somehow many visitors to Stevepavlina.com seem to think that if they are a vegetarian or pro liberal that this somehow translates to being a lightworker. Of course this has some correlation but it is minute in the full spectrum.

It would be difficult for me to debate the issue since I really do not agree with the label to begin with...

What I do agree with is that independent decisions can be Light or Dark and that its important to polarize your decisions into completion.

[dbates]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

My post however is in rebuttal of the person who asked "Why Lightworkers don't create wealth". I see that many people reading this blog mistakenly think that they are lightworkers and that lightworkers cannot be business people. Somehow many visitors to Stevepavlina.com seem to think that if they are a vegetarian or pro liberal that this somehow translates to being a lightworker. Of course this has some correlation but it is minute in the full spectrum.

For the record I don't perceive myself as a lightworker nor do aspire to be one, I am a registered libertarian (defiantly not liberal), and I eat meat everyday.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't mistake for a "vegetarian or pro liberal that this somehow translates to being a lightworker"

[Alexjstrandberg]

Most people pick one of two choices: passion and greed. People who are greedy just do it for the cash. Most people who contribute value to the world ignore things like marketing, sales and so on because they want to avoid being greedy or whatever. Most are spiritual and thing getting money goes against their drive to lose attachments to worldly possessions.

The thing with the former is that these people need money to contribute more to the world. The more they market, yes they will make more money but the more they will be able to reach a greater audience and help raise consciousness the most.

I desire to make money from my blog not because I'm greedy ( I have really simple needs) but to be able to quit my job in order to focus on the website more in order to give the most to the greater good.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Ecce Homo

The only answer to what? You asked why lightworkers aren't more focused on generating wealth and I gave you my best guesses, with a slightly cynical slant to it. Whether or not those guesses are true in any sense, on any level, is another question entirely.

Originally Posted by Still Growing

From my experience there are more lightworkers in business than darkworkers....

From my definition lightworkers are focused on adding value, caring about people around them, positive, love based, giving the most of themselves, etc.

From my definition of darkworkers they are takers, what do I get out of it, what can I take, fear, I want to be rich but I'm afraid, jealous, etc.

I have definitely seen darkworkers that own businesses but in order to succeed they mask themselves as Lightworkers as best they can.

Originally Posted by lasti

As a lightworker you can bring light to the world without money. Why should your waste your time to create wealth you can maybe spend in the future for the good of all when you can now spend your time for the good of all?
Besides that I think that time is much more worth than money.

What is wrong with light workers creating and enjoying wealth (including money)? They could be doing it for the purpose of spreading it and raising consciousness. The more wealth you have, the more you can give away and the more people you help. All in the name of abundance.
Its like that proverbial saying by Jesus, "How do you take out the dust out of your brother's eye when you have a thorn in your" something like that.

Different light workers have different methods. Others live through example and teaching aka mother theresa. Or someone can live a rich lifestyle and say "Hey look at me, I used to be poor and miserable but I'm living the life now, so can you!!!"
Others may do it through giving money.
The same goes for darkworkers. They can spread joy or create something great, and that could help their own personal agenda.

But I really think the polarization is flawed. I mean Why does it have to be so polarized? If a darkworker wants to help other people through charity and volunteer work is that such a poor choice for the DW? I don't believe that one has to stick to one polarization his entire life and can change.

[Remiel]

Let me ask you this. What's the point of money to a lightwalker? What value does having billions of dollars get you? Nothing really.

Now having said that money itself is valuable as a tool. To me I don't desire to have billions of dollars because having billions of dollar doesn't provide any instrinsic value to me. Can I use it for the good of mankind? Yes. But then I wouldn't have a billion dollars now would I? I won't likely ever posses 1 billion dollars at any given time because there is no value to me to have that amount. I'd rather use it for something valuable than to hoard it.

I'm a christian and I don't believe its wrong to be rich in and of itself. Its when I love money and focus on it alone that there is a problem. To me money is just another tool. Just like my computer, my car, and my house. They are a means to an end and not an end itself.


Oh and to the person who quoted that money is the root of all evil. That quote is incorrect. It is the love of money that is evil. I don't actually recall whether it said all evil or not but /shrug not like it matters much.

[Valeria]

The reason lightworkers tend to reject making money is because they think there is a difference between the spiritual and physical worlds.

But there isn't.

If you believed that money, cash, currency was a representation of God in action, and of the value you brought into the world...and if you believed that one of the purposes of business was to raise the vibrations of everyone around you, then how wealthy would you allow yourself to be?

[Remiel]

Originally Posted by Valeria

The reason lightworkers tend to reject making money is because they think there is a difference between the spiritual and physical worlds.

But there isn't.

I'm not sure how that relates to money. I do believe there is a difference between the spiritual and physical worlds. That doesn't make any difference to me in what I do with my money though.

Originally Posted by Valeria

If you believed that money, cash, currency was a representation of God in action, and of the value you brought into the world...and if you believed that one of the purposes of business was to raise the vibrations of everyone around you, then how wealthy would you allow yourself to be?

Cash in and of itself has no value. Neither does TV, the internet, books, iron, coal, or land. The value is what you do with those resources.

How wealthy will I allow myself to be? A billionaire. Or even a trillionaire. The number doesn't matter in any way. HOWEVER I will refuse to hold a billion dollars in a bank if there is no purpose to it. If the purpose is to generate a steady residual income off of the purpose and use THAT to do some greater good. Then I will keep a billion dollars. If I don't have a purpose for it then I see no reason to hold onto it and I will create a purpose for it and I will give it away and / or spend it on something.

I see money as a tool. What good is a tool if its not doing anything? What good is a oil rig that sits over a deposit of oil and doesn't do anything?

Whether I have 10,000$, 100,000$, 1,000,000$, or even 1,000,000$ it doesn't matter. What matters is the lives I invest my time and money in and the people I impact in this world.