[Cado]

Originally Posted by russianrocket

There is no social contract. That's such bull. I hate when people bring that up. NO ONE signed this contract you keep speaking of. NO one deserves anything, and no one is obligated to do anything for anyone else. You earn things, and you choose what you give out.

Yes there is. It's not explicit, it's not signed, but the crux of it is that those who have give opportunities to those who don't. Opportunities-not handouts. -I'm- not arguing that anybody is owed anything more than that, but when so few own so much we absolutely deserve that.

That's how they argue for stimulus money and things of the like-"we employ people, we create jobs, the economy will fail without us." What happens when they get the money? If the last few years are any indication, they raise their profits, lay more people off and nothing improves. It's a power grab, and while I'm all for free enterprise enough is enough. This isn't capitalism, it's corporatism.

Everything is our fault. What the hell is wrong with this mindset lately, that everything is everyone's fault but ours. We create our own reality. We make our own choices and decisions. Poor become rich and rich become poor. poor stay poor and rich stay rich. I got a mountain of debt. I'm not whining or complaining about it. I'm not blaming anyone for it. It was MY decision to make, no one elses. It's my burden to bear, and I will bear it.

Yeah, you made the choice, as did everyone else in that position. I'm not arguing against their responsibility, I'm saying the information presented when they made the decision-on top of all the other societal pressures-influenced them to do something which was ultimately detrimental to their livelihood, at least so long as jobs remain scarce.

If someone wants to take responsibility for their own lives after landing in that position, I think changing the system is a perfectly valid course of action. It's not entirely what screwed them over but when you think you've got no other option and that option leaves you worse than you started it's impossible to argue it's not part of the picture.

They'd all love for their debt to be paid off, and go to college for free. Try to deny that. The whole mentality I'm seeing is gimmie gimmie gimmie.

Oh give me a break. You're beating that strawman so hard you're covered in the stuff.

If we keep heading the way we are, then yeah, 1st world economy is going to go down the crapper, I'm sure. And it all comes down to government control.

No, it comes down to corporate control over the government. We do not have a democracy, politicians won't listen to us as long as corporations line their pockets and have their finger on the trigger when it comes to the economy. If we want the government to actually work for its people this is the first place we have to strike.