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nightdiamond · 08-07-2007, 03:54 AM

Faith is absolutely necessary.

2 + 2 = 4

No faith required.

Faith has so many different definitions applied to it that it is why I use the level example. The higher the faith level the stronger your belief level. The lower your faith level the weaker your belief level is. And this can be reversed as well.

2+2=4 can be verfied, or directly observed or experienced so it isn't necessary to apply faith to it. It can almost be taken for granted because it is so self evident.

And that again is exactly my point: if you have some type of experience with "god" or "the other side" for example, a psychic vision that turns out to be true, like foreseeing a future event, or a past life experience that is actually verified and baffles scientists, then for the person who experienced it, it becomes like 2+2= 4; no faith is needed for something he or she has actually EXPERIENCED it.

The skeptic hasn't experienced it.... so his or her faith level is low and so on and so on. Arguing and discussing the logic or illogic of god's existence doesn't give you an experience of god, so it will always have to be a matter of belief or disbelief between these two sides.

08-07-2007, 03:54 AM	#147 (permalink)
nightdiamond Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: California, Los Angeles County Posts: 461	What if you had proof of god's existence? Faith is absolutely necessary. 2 + 2 = 4 No faith required. Faith has so many different definitions applied to it that it is why I use the level example. The higher the faith level the stronger your belief level. The lower your faith level the weaker your belief level is. And this can be reversed as well. 2+2=4 can be verfied, or directly observed or experienced so it isn't necessary to apply faith to it. It can almost be taken for granted because it is so self evident. And that again is exactly my point: if you have some type of experience with "god" or "the other side" for example, a psychic vision that turns out to be true, like foreseeing a future event, or a past life experience that is actually verified and baffles scientists, then *for the person who experienced it*, it becomes like 2+2= 4; no faith is needed for something he or she has actually EXPERIENCED it. The skeptic hasn't experienced it.... so his or her faith level is low and so on and so on. Arguing and discussing the logic or illogic of god's existence doesn't give you an experience of god, so it will always have to be a matter of belief or disbelief between these two sides.