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nightdiamond · 08-06-2007, 04:18 PM

My very point. If you had some sort of experience with the "other side" or god or whatever you want to call it, you don't even need faith.

I DON'T want to just have faith in god, I want to KNOW for sure. Otherwise I'll always ask the question, "does god exist". I don't want to believe in god, I want to KNOW god exist.

Sometimes faith can be just another word for belief or confidence. Think of it as a level, a belief level or a confidence level.

I can't know god exists from other people's ideas or descriptions of god, otherwise it's just a belief again.

The same issue creeps up when you follow absolute materialism. When you ponder if the universe started with nothing, no intelligence, no consciousness, no purpose, then why hasn't it remained this way to this very second? Nothingness. I have no problem with that because that is exactly what I would expect from a universe with no activity, intelligence, or purpose.

Yet there is activity, life, intelligence, consciousness. For some strange reason all this came out of nothingness. Something caused it to happen. A bunch or weird chain reactions led to "this" An odd thing to ponder.

By the way, I love this debate, keep it going....

08-06-2007, 04:18 PM	#140 (permalink)
nightdiamond Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: California, Los Angeles County Posts: 461	Is faith useless? My very point. If you had some sort of experience with the "other side" or god or whatever you want to call it, you don't even need faith. I DON'T want to just have faith in god, I want to KNOW for sure. Otherwise I'll always ask the question, "does god exist". I don't want to believe in god, I want to KNOW god exist. Sometimes faith can be just another word for belief or confidence. Think of it as a level, a belief level or a confidence level. I can't know god exists from other people's ideas or descriptions of god, otherwise it's just a belief again. The same issue creeps up when you follow absolute materialism. When you ponder if the universe started with nothing, no intelligence, no consciousness, no purpose, then why hasn't it remained this way to this very second? Nothingness. I have no problem with that because that is exactly what I would expect from a universe with no activity, intelligence, or purpose. Yet there is activity, life, intelligence, consciousness. For some strange reason all this came out of nothingness. Something caused it to happen. A bunch or weird chain reactions led to "this" An odd thing to ponder. By the way, I love this debate, keep it going....