Originally Posted by moonlite
A biological point of view is a form of reductionism and it's rather difficult to apply to matters of personal development. We talk here not only about masturbation, but rather about its possible impact on personal development. If you want to involve any science psychology fits here better, philosophy and probably psychopathology. Of course these are soft sciences without hard evidence nevertheless they have something to say about it.
I never promoted endless abstinence. I'm sure and even biology supports my point of view that one year of abstinence does not kill anybody and does not lead to extinction of species.
You mean you always do it in public????
Just for the record - we are here on a personal development forum. Full of unprovable claims. Relationship is at better an area of interest of psychology - also full of unprovable claims. Of course you can reject it in the whole but I doubt it'll make you wiser. There are different points of view. I don't want you to believe in what I'm saying. I want to explain what I think and show you that one can be non-Christian and not dogmatic but still think differently.
Tell me why should I not be condescending to the people who choose the wrong path? And why anyone should worry if his not taking pleasure from casual sex?
I don't say that relationships are difficult to me. But I think that for many people they are, because if they were simply fun then why anybody should masturbate? Here you contradict yourself because previously you wrote how difficult is for young males to get a girlfriend. For many adult man too. I don't think that sex and relationship are independent. It happens so that people try to separate them, put in different compartments but this is unhealthy. I speak now from psychological point of view. Namely object-relation theory.
Maybe masturbation is very useful in learning how to stroke your penis in many different sophisticated ways, but I think that this and other sexual experience is better to get with a partner. Or maybe you think that only masturbation can lead to great sex? Also this enlightening experience you can attain with partner and then it goes much deeper
You seem not believe that after some period of abstinence drive weakens. You can also consciously avoid sources of excitement (indecent movies, pics etc.) and at last but not least - find and please your wife
Wow, this same attitude is exactly why I left the (christian) church I attended and organized religion in general... The idea of "My way is absolutely correct, your way definitely isn't, and I damn sure should be condescending toward those who think differently than me and choose what I consider the wrong path, even though I can't prove that my way is right and theirs is wrong beyond my own speculation" sounds like the main reason why I didn't stick around any longer than I had to...
This reminds me why I also ran from the old religion/politics forum I used to post on, it wsa nothing but theists and atheists flaming each other over how their side was absolutely correct and the other was either wasting their lives or going to hell, not for one moment considering that just maybe, "spirituality" or whatever you want to call it might work differently for different people.