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Originally Posted by Hsiang-Lin  Let me try to understand what you are saying. You're saying God is based upon an unproveable assumption, hence it is simply speculation. True, but this is under the view of SCIENCE. Based on the scientific view, there is clearly not enough information to validate the existence of God. |
As I pointed out above, it is the claim that God exists that is based on an unprovable assumption, not God itself. And it is only problematic when either a non-believer or a believer attempts to convince the other that their claim is the only valid one. A claim requires backing, validation, proof. There can't be any such proof of a claim based on an unprovable assumption.
From what you've said in your last few posts, it seems that you believe both science and faith have a place in this world. I agree with that. You seem to believe that many scientists inappropriately try to evaluate faith through a purely scientific lens. I also agree with that. The point I was attempting to make is that sometimes believers will attempt to convince others of their belief, and they use logic to do so. That use of logic is often inappropriate from the start due to disagreements on key assumptions.
Matters of faith don't require argument or support. Either you believe, or you don't, and your life is better or worse as a result. But many believers (including those who hold secular beliefs), are unwilling to leave it at that; they attempt to convert others. That's where logic and science come into play, often inappropriately. I think we can all agree on that. And the way to avoid that problem is to understand what logic, science and faith really are.
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Originally Posted by nightdiamond If you were to actually experience god, like some people say they've experience the afterlife, then it seems that the debate about objective proof, logic and reason and faith doesn't even matter anymore. |
It would be interesting to have an experience which affected me so much that I became a believer. Though, truth be told, I really don't see it changing much. Yes, God exists. Now, pass me those MRI results...
