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Hsiang-Lin · 07-31-2007, 10:09 AM

Hi AidanMatthews216 and Mark Lapierre,

Let's start with the basics and what we know. Science is a discipline based upon the capabilities of our human senses and minds. Therefore, non-science explains anything beyond our human senses and minds.

Religion/spirituality is the attempt to explain the non-science. This include the whole plethora of theories out there on our existence, consciousness, etc.

As we learn more, science and religion APPEAR to have some ties, BUT we don't know the exact answer for sure. Therefore, what is the line at which these two merge? That is the real question.

Let's start with science and history dating back to the Big Bang theory as our premise. I believe then there must be a Creator or something that gave birth to everything in this universe. This origin of the universe is also the leap of faith that is required in everyone. Some will jump on subjective reality, spirituality, or other ways to explain creation.

Now by outright denying God, it seems a bit presumptuous. How can one claim to be logical by accepting what makes sense to him/her (science), but denying something that COULD fit in the model as well (God)? It is those people who accept science, but cannot accept a Creator that I am speaking specifically to.

As for those who believe in no God or God in the self (like subjective reality), there are a host of contradictions. If you truly are God, then how did everything come into place? Why would you make the reality you have now the way it is? How can you even create a reality with all these rules and wonderful things if you cannot even explain to yourself and others how you created it?

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Hsiang-Lin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 261	Hi AidanMatthews216 and Mark Lapierre, Let's start with the basics and what we know. Science is a discipline based upon the capabilities of our human senses and minds. Therefore, non-science explains anything beyond our human senses and minds. Religion/spirituality is the attempt to explain the non-science. This include the whole plethora of theories out there on our existence, consciousness, etc. As we learn more, science and religion APPEAR to have some ties, BUT we don't know the exact answer for sure. Therefore, what is the line at which these two merge? That is the real question. Let's start with science and history dating back to the Big Bang theory as our premise. I believe then there must be a Creator or something that gave birth to everything in this universe. This origin of the universe is also the leap of faith that is required in everyone. Some will jump on subjective reality, spirituality, or other ways to explain creation. Now by outright denying God, it seems a bit presumptuous. How can one claim to be logical by accepting what makes sense to him/her (science), but denying something that COULD fit in the model as well (God)? It is those people who accept science, but cannot accept a Creator that I am speaking specifically to. As for those who believe in no God or God in the self (like subjective reality), there are a host of contradictions. If you truly are God, then how did everything come into place? Why would you make the reality you have now the way it is? How can you even create a reality with all these rules and wonderful things if you cannot even explain to yourself and others how you created it? Last edited by Hsiang-Lin; 07-31-2007 at 10:12 AM.