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Originally Posted by Max Power  Tumbling down the rabbit hole............
An,
The answer to your question is in the question itself.
Consciousness isn't everywhere? True.
Consciousness is everything in awareness? True.
So if consciousness isn't everywhere and consciousness is only ever in awareness then who is conscious??
The answer is.................consciousness.
People are not conscious, you are not conscious, I am not conscious, can you see where this is leading????............onward......... |
Those are nothing but semantical distinctions that do nothing but confuse people. You say nothing is conscious but consciousness, and then you say everything inside the container is made up of consciousness. It just feels like playing with words to disguise understanding at this point.
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Originally Posted by Max Power You think you're a human being?? You're not, while the human being is capable of observing creation, it is not creative, it is an observation point only. |
I thought I was everything I was aware of? Am I not aware of human beings also? So then I'm human too right?
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Originally Posted by Max Power It's a clever and cunning perception, but can you be aware of everything you've ever heard exists and everything that may exist but you never heard of?? No, why???
Because there are only two things that exist
1.Consciousness
2.This present moment and everything in it. |
Those are some awfully large assumptions my friend. And there are individuals who claim it
is possible to be aware of everything you've ever heard of at one time. Many claim that is one benefit of enlightenment. You say one thing, they say another -- both offer little proof. Logic has merit, but oftentimes is can be a creative after the fact rationalization itself, that starts with a preordained conclusion and reconstructs all the premises necessary to support the presupposed conclusion. I suppose there is always intuition, but that is wholly dependent on the clarity of the intuitive...
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Originally Posted by Max Power Here is the secret that holds it all together..........
People think they are consciousness and they are not.
You can test this if you like....where in your body are you?? Where is the essence of you, where is the thing that makes you, housed?? the real you, the you that thinks and feels, where?? In your brain? body? mind? No, if you consider it for long enough you will see that the thing, the spirit, the entity that is you, is not the human body at all, but it is everything in awareness. The tree, the table, the sky, the car driving past, the people in your life, the pain, the suffering, the love and the money, it's all you, the real you. |
There are some things we can agree upon. One of them is that location is an illusion. And I don't deny that the things you consciously encounter in life will reflect your inner state and are actually extensions of our very beings. As you say, it is
all you. But did you ever stop to consider that the "you" that you really are is even
bigger than that?
You never did answer me where things that you are not aware of (in other words, things that have ceased to exist in your SR belief system) come back from when you bring them back into your awareness. You assume that because you are no longer aware of them, they must have ceased to exist in the container of consciousness, but if that were true, there would be no template to draw them back again when you bring them back into your awareness. Could it be that there are things which part of you is aware of, and another part isn't?
The world you encounter is a reflection of your consciousness -- the world that your conscious self you
currently perceive yourself to be encounters. But your true consciousness, if we can call it that, is even bigger than that. The consciousness you deal with on a day to day basis is only
part of that bigger whole. A reflection if you will. It is not necessary for your conscious self to deal with the magnitude of Existence that the whole is capable of perceiving. Besides, it would negate the purpose of the world of limitation anyhow. So there are things you are not aware of, consciously, but still exist in consciousness. I'm not saying that things
wouldn't cease to exist if consciousness wasn't there to perceive it, I'm just saying there is always consciousness there to perceive things, even if the observation point you currently perceive yourself to be, is not aware of them.
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Originally Posted by Max Power But wait, it gets worse or better depending on how you want to play it.................if consciousness isn't everywhere and only exists in the present moment then how can I be consciousness on one side of the planet and you be consciousness on the other side??? |
Do you see what you are doing here? You are projecting human limitations onto the Whole One Consciousness that you claim to be identifying with. In some ways, I can admire the idea of subjective reality, but it assumes too much -- too many limitations for me to take it in completely. I feel many truths are mixed with illusions which gives the false impression to many of it being more or less accurate. But I contend that is not entirely accurate. It is true that reality is subjective. There is no way to divide consciousness from reality. The observer is not separate from the observed. But the observer, the dreamer, the
true experiencer, is not limited by the point of observation you experience here on Earth, reading this forum. That is projecting human sized concepts onto something that is so, so, so, much bigger.
There is a psuedo objective reality that is created by consensus perception. You see, The Dreamer has many eyes, just like your physical body has more than one eye. With your physical body, the slight difference in perspective creates the illusion of 3D eye sight even though, in reality, it is just two 2-dimensional images. In the same way, the psuedo objective reality is created by the many eyes of The Dreamer. The difference in perspective gives rise to the artificial reality of objectivity and is compounded into the illusion that we exist as separate individuals.
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Originally Posted by Max Power I'm not going to tell you the answer, because you need to see it for yourself, but remember, consciousness (the real you) is not human and as long as you observe it from your limited humaness, you'll never see the answer, I will give you a hint though..........the answer is staring you in the face. |
Yes, the answer is staring me in the face, but somehow I doubt it is the answer you had in mind for me. Do you think perhaps the reason you are reluctant to describe the answer is because you are afraid how it will come across to me? But aren't I just another manifestation of yourself according to your belief system? Why should you worry how your self will react to your self if we are as you envision? There will come a period of growth on the cycle of experience, where we will stop dreaming we are here on planet Earth as human beings, and wake up to our larger selves, consciously. But please don't pretend you've achieved that when you haven't. We are all god, yes. But how many are god consciously?
I realize you think I'm seeing reality through my limited humaness, but If you will patiently, and emotionlessly observe your current belief system, you will see it is actually you who are projecting limitation onto your world. And I say that with a sincere desire to share perspective with you. I really do enjoy discussing these things.
Cheers,
Me
