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Originally Posted by Hsiang-Lin  Those who absolutely cling on to science need to ask the question, what created science? Saying some things like God "just are" and some things like science must have further explanation is not only inadequate, but contradictory. Are you not in a sense placing value on science before God? One thing over another? Thus, you place your own reasoning and senses higher than all else. |
I don't cling to science but I'll answer your question anyway. The question of what created science is an easy one. Science is the process of systematically studying the universe through observation and experimentation, collection of data, and determination of theories and laws which agree with the data. This is something humans came up with. So humans created science. And if the next question is "who/what created humans?" we're set on the path of infinite regress, which is a pointless journey.
I also don't follow you when you say 'some things like God "just are" and some things like science must have further explanation' and yet you ask if we're placing value on science before God. It seems that the way you've phrased that values God more than science. I.e., God in unquestionable but science must be questioned.
Both God and science are questionable.
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Originally Posted by Hsiang-Lin It is in this moment that separates believers from unbelievers. Will you realize your powerlessness before the grandeur of this universe and its possibilities? Or will you cling hard to your own sense and logic? |
The same could be said of believers, and their tendency to cling to their belief in the vain hope that it will spare them the burden dealing with the reality of having to make their way through this life through their own efforts. It's a denial of personal responsibility.
But that, like your questions, would be unfair to all those who don't exist within such a pessimistic framework. So let me be clear, that's not my belief, but simply an example of a counter-misrepresentation.
Both spiritually and science teach that we are
not powerless, despite the wondrous scope of the universe. To think otherwise is to misunderstand both science and spirituality.
It's also misguided to consider logic, faith, and science, to be mutually exclusive.
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Originally Posted by AidanMatthews216 I'm not sure what it would mean to sense without senses or think without a mind. It's a little like asking someone to walk without feet. |
I agree, though I'd say it's akin to asking someone to walk without feet,
on their feet. Perhaps the original statement might make more sense if phrased in a way that wasn't contradictory.
Though I think Hsiang-Lin assumes there are senses and minds beyond human, physical senses and minds.