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Having a goal in your mind is a process. Having an end state in your mind lets you have a good process.
If there is an end goal, and you don't specifically make that goal, it wouldn't have been waste. You'd have learned tonnes of knowlege that could apply to other areas.
from the context of the thread in my signature:
when your conciousness focuses on a goal that has its invariant representations defined far enough down to the movement circuits of your brain, then the goal is the process.
| That sounds really, really good... except I just don't know what the hell you are talking about...
Could someone 'splain it to me...???
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lol. Sorry. either I write something way too short or way too long.
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But my question remains, is the process of more important than the goal?
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So we got these abstract words that people are throwing around and that we each might have a different definition for them. So we should define these words.
Process:
Making your body move and your mind think for some
reason.
Goal:
An endstate that you have in mind. Like "I will have a million dollars in my bank account"
Reason:
Purpose. You saw some need in your environment, like you see poverty in Africa so then you set your goal of "I am going to remove poverty from africa". So that becomes the "reason" that you go through the process to go and fly there.
Or say you feel the need to be rich because "I'm feeling poor and unimportant. I am setting the goal to become a millionaire" That end state becomes your reason for moving.
More important:
In terms of cause and effect, something that is more important is a cause that causes more effects. Like the CEO of a company is more important than a janitor.
So his question "is the process of more important than the goal?"
becomes "Does my process have more effects then having my endstate?"
The reason that you have a particular process is because you are moving toward an end state.
Having your goal in mind causes you to have a process.
Having a goal in mind causes you to move.
Always having your goal in mind causes your process.
So I guess that you could say that the end goal is more
important (has more causes) than the process, because there is more than one way to "skin a cat". There is more than one way to achieve a goal. Your particular goal (endstate) causes the process.
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If there is an end goal, and you don't specifically make that goal, it wouldn't have been waste. You'd have learned tonnes of knowlege that could apply to other areas.
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Here is what I meant. Say I have an end goal of going to France. But then I'm in the middle of the flight on my way to Europe and then all of the sudden I decide that I want to go to the UK instead.
My spending all that time planning and striving to go to France was not a waste because all the knowlege that I had to learn to go there was able to spill over to reaching my goal of going to the UK.
Basically that knowlege from one area spills over to a new area.
Bill Gate's endstate has been and still is "to have a computer in every household". That caused him to go through the process of making Microsoft. That caused him to make billions. The billions were just a side effect. Billions was not his endstate. His endstate was "to have a computer in every household". He's not done yet. He's going to China now.