Originally Posted by MrBig
Okay, so why new born babies, as well as cats, dogs, and other animals – who are not “conditioned” die if they fall from a sufficient height?
I guess I'm playing devil's advocate now. I am not really for or against SR, because like I said it confuses me too... it does interest me though (obviously). But I'll play (I'm enjoying our little exchange here).
In your experience and mine as well (for the sake of SR I guess we're the same consciousness) this is exactly what happens, they will not do so well. I grew up believing in gravity, you did too... so that's the reality we experience, that gravity is gonna getcha.
The more I think about this, the more it seems almost like it's a dream, like when you're dreaming you will have all these interactions with characters who aren't real, your mind made them up, and you go on little adventures and stuff and the laws of nature are sometimes warped or backwards. But in the dream (unless it's a lucid one, which are fun too!) you experience the interactions and adventures as situations happening to you that you have no control over, people talking to you and you don't know what they are thinking until you hear them speak... but it's really you making it up. Your mind (or consciousness) is creating the whole thing... but the person you identify as "Mr. Big" experiences the dream as being separate from your control.
So maybe gravity (in the SR model) is like this. We have spent years believing. Maybe we made it up, we just don't know it.
Am I going to jump off a building? Hell no. My entire life I have been conditioned to believe that would not turn out well. It would seem like a pointless thing to try... I'm more into just using this stuff to create a better, more fulfilling life for myself, not to turn myself into a psycho-daredevil (in my reality, that would be the actions of a loony).
Maybe I'm getting off point here, and it comes full circle: the ONLY way YOU can even be discussing gravity, is because it is YOUR experience you are reflecting back to me.
You're saying "cylon, have you ever dropped something heavy? It falls on the ground and stays there." And I am saying yes, you and I experience that the exact same way. But it is our experience we are discussing, not the objective fact itself, but our interpretation of it.
This makes me think of Alan Watts, he would often say stuff like "your eyes can't see themselves, your hand can't hold itself, your teeth can't bite themselves".
So hopefully I have answered your question... I guess it's not so much if the animals have been conditioned, maybe it's more of the concept that there are animals at all and that the concept of conditioning even exists at all.