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Old 11-12-2006, 10:28 PM   #18 (permalink)
Michael Chui
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Originally Posted by Scott H Young View Post
3) Let's agree on two things. Currently a system without government isn't feasible. In the future such a system may work if people and human nature evolves considerably.
I seem to be paying less and less attention in the past few days, but I wanted to say that I agree with those two things. (Off-topic: My distract-ability is probably the top indicator of my low level of consciousness. )

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But without government, anybody can do whatever they want, even kill. Therefore you need a government to keep orders.
The problem with this perspective is that it's fear-based. You need a government because you're afraid bad things would happen otherwise. Keith is proposing a society where no one wants to do anything we'd consider bad, and would only do things we'd consider good.

The thing is, in my opinion, even in such a society, I think there would still be disagreements and cross-purposes. And for that, you either need the two parties to agree, which requires some serious communication, or you need mediation. Communication doesn't scale (unless our "technology" for doing so grows by the leaps and bounds I hope it does), but mediation does. The mediation eventually scales into government. And that's why anarchy shouldn't/won't happen: you eventually need government when it gets large enough.

I'm sure Keith has a response.
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