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Old 07-13-2007, 10:41 AM   #75 (permalink)
JohnPlace
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Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre View Post
John: Those are questions of morality and ethics. Some people already combine those with religion and spirituality. It doesn't seem to have done much good.
I guess I'm having a hard time getting my point across. I'm not suggesting that it's doing "much good." In fact, I'm not passing any value judgments on it at all.

I'm suggesting the following concept: all non-scientific beliefs (yours, mine, everyone's) might as well be called spirituality, even in people who consider themselves atheists.

Atheists could use a different term, if they liked. But I'm suggesting that there are really only two kinds of knowledge: scientific knowledge, and everything else.

And a very large part of the human experience falls into everything else.

As in, there's very little difference between the man who says, "I believe cheating is wrong," and the man who says, "I believe in God." Neither can be proven by science. Both are matters of belief. Both are identifying traits of the believer's ideology. Both can be supported (and refuted) by logical arguments.

No value judgments implied.

But it's an important concept. Because it basically means that human beings are spiritual by nature (that is, we have the need to form beliefs which do not conform to science).

The man who believes that cheating is wrong because of logical arguments regarding societal impact may think himself superior to the man who believes cheating is wrong because God said it was so (or vice versa), but I find both of those men pretty damned similar.

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