[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by absvan

I believe that

1. You can never identify yourself with Consciousness when you still identify yourself in human form because becoming Consciousness means freeing from this reality a.k.a. end of illusion. The monks and sages and others in search of the truth takes intense practice to identify with Consciousness. I know you might call this denial but for me just the knowledge that we are not really this body but the "I" does not make us one with the "I".

I agree with this as long as I clarify some specifics. Unconsciously, we are already joined in Oneness outside the Separation illusion. True Separation cannot actually occur, only illusory projections. Our conscious energy, however, cannot be fully identified with Oneness unless we shed conscious Separation. Your mind cannot serve two masters. Either Oneness or Separation. This constitutes the fundamental Choice.

2. I believe that when we become one with Consciousness, we wont NEED to manifest anything because creation is needed only to maintain the illusion. So the question would be who creates all the cars,wealth here. Yes its Consciousness that creates it but in human form and so time has to exist because end of time means end of illusion

The way I see it is creation is an illusion. Everything already exists as a seemless field in the realm of consciousness. What we call manifestation is the result of untying various knots of energy flow which allows Existence to show up in the illusion of Nonexistence, which our reality is. Lack is part of that illusion. Our reality falls somewhere on the continuum of realities that contain the expression of lack. Some to a greater or lesser extent than ours. You see, if you didn't have these knots in your consciousness your will would naturally unfold in the reality before you. Since we are experiencing the thoughtform or role of separated consciousness we have to deal the vast distortion and discrepancy between the One mind, and the ego structure that our portion of the One mind is being filtered through.

The way I see it is, Consciousness created ego consciousness and its the ego consciousness that creates (with the power derived from consciousness). Why do I think so? Because Consciousness would not have intentions to kill, murder, create wars and destroy the earth. From what I understand, the self is the bridge between ego and Consciousness.

I agree with this. There is actually only one original Ego in my opinion, which you could sort of think of as the god of separation. It reflects itself ad infinitum into many illusory egos which we identify as ourselves most of the time. So just another way of saying murder, wars, and destruction are more expressions of separation, or duality usurping the power of oneness in an illusory framework.

3. So why do some things manifest fast and some take more time? I dont know...I am still searching for the answer.

The ego wants this reality to be real. Desperately bad. It is trying to justify its existence and it does that by making separation as real as it possibly can. So when you commune with your oneness and allow more Existence in the back door (which is manifestation remember), it wants to disguise this unwanted evidence of its unreality as something else. Realities of separation must involve logic and rules because of this. It tries to disguise these "creative acts" as linear events that are natural to this world. This is why manifestations oftentimes seem deceptively natural. These creative acts happen outside time, but to maintain the illusion they are projected into a linear sequence. Then people are tempted to say, "oh its a coincidence". However, alot of the time, this is simply ego talk.