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Originally Posted by absvan  Max, I know we have spoken about this before and may never agree, but its alright  .
I believe that
1. You can never identify yourself with Consciousness when you still identify yourself in human form because becoming Consciousness means freeing from this reality a.k.a. end of illusion. The monks and sages and others in search of the truth takes intense practice to identify with Consciousness. I know you might call this denial but for me just the knowledge that we are not really this body but the "I" does not make us one with the "I".
2. I believe that when we become one with Consciousness, we wont NEED to manifest anything because creation is needed only to maintain the illusion. So the question would be who creates all the cars,wealth here. Yes its Consciousness that creates it but in human form and so time has to exist because end of time means end of illusion
The way I see it is, Consciousness created ego consciousness and its the ego consciousness that creates (with the power derived from consciousness). Why do I think so? Because Consciousness would not have intentions to kill, murder, create wars and destroy the earth. From what I understand, the self is the bridge between ego and Consciousness.
3. So why do some things manifest fast and some take more time? I dont know...I am still searching for the answer.
These are just my observations. I dont want to give you the impression that I am here to refute your beliefs. Hey I am not here to argue but to discuss  ......just my 2cents. |
I see where you are coming from with your beliefs about consciousness. My view (unsolicited of course
) is that consciousness projected the ego. Projection is different than creation in a couple important ways, first it is temporal - unlike consciousness, and second, because it is not a creation it is not embued with the same qualities as its creator (creating, perfection, and so on) basically ego is a projection of guilt and all ego based thought stems from guilt and fear because consciousness had a thought of separation.
So that is the ego's job really to act out or be what consciousness cannot be (but could only imagine what it would be like) - imperfect, separate, negative, and so on. And since it (ego) is not imbued with the power of creation or attributes of TRUTH (love, joy, peace) it can only project it's imperfection, need, lack, and its learned experience (misperception) onto the present moment, never can it create as does consciousness.
So, what creates - it is the consciousness at the center, the I AM within me.
When my Ego is no longer the ruler of my being and willingly aligns with consciousness, then that is how we manifest. This is why our beliefs, perceptions, and ego persona all need to be explored, exposed, and evaluated.
We cannot be without Ego/resistance while in this realm, that is true - but we can diminish ego to what it should be, just a container (necessary resistance) that holds consciousness within, keeps each observation point seperate - so that consciousness can play & create.