KevinG, I think you accidentally quoted rather than editing.
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Originally Posted by KevinG  Exactly my point.
You will never have a nation of conscious and aware people - you'll never have a nation with greater than 50% of the people conscious and aware. |
And why not? The number of conscious and aware people certainly appears to be growing rapidly (probably due to improvement in communication technologies ; Steve's blog alone has probably raised the consciousness of thousands of people).
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Originally Posted by KevinG And if the United States isn't the greatest country on Earth why is everyone trying to get in? We have the largest rate of applied citizenship in the world, and the least amount of people trying to leave. |
Most popular != greatest. Greatest is kind of hard to define, but I'd say things like level of fulfilment in the populace, crime rates, etc. need to be factored in. eg. For "the Greatest nation in the world" the level of poverty and crime in America is horrifying (Perhaps this is a barrier to you envisioning that a better society could possibly work?).
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Originally Posted by Keith I actually envision that some of the issues of a successful Anarchy cannot be solved at our current level of thinking. | Hrm... that's a great thought, but I wonder whether or not you're giving too much credit to conscious individuals. It's not terribly arguable, either way, though. |
I'm arguing this because it's an interesting discussion, because I believe it, and because I'd like other people to consider the possibility. But, regardless of how much discussion occurs, ultimately either it'll happen (in some form or other) or it won't.
Historically, people often held compeletely rational and seemingly self-evident beliefs that turned out to be completely wrong ("Of
course the sun orbits the Earth - just look at it!").
Kevin thinks that it's self-evident that society will collapse into chaos without rulers and laws - I mean just
look at people.
I think that, it's self-evident that a society of Conscious people would not suffer many of our problems (and the need for a government to keep those problems in check) - I mean just
look at people like Steve.
Both positions seem rational and self-evident, and either (or both) of them could turn out to be completely wrong. Methinks some "Ready, Fire, Aim" is called for...