[Toulon]

Why right now am I bound by all the laws of phyics?

Because I believe them? And if I unbelieved them they would disappear?

What made me believe them in the first place????????

Answer me that.

I'd say the main issue that triggered thoughts about subjective reality was the fact that I can perceive multiple bodies but only one consciousness. Why should consciousness be rooted to a seemingly random physical perspective -- this one particular human as opposed to all or none of them?

Have you studied our course in evolution? Evolutionary biology offers the answer to that really simply.

Another perspective is to simply ask, "How do you know you're not dreaming right now?"

And the truth is that you can't know. You could very well be dreaming, and you wouldn't be able to prove otherwise. Subjective reality is simply the perspective that acknowledges this possibility. If you refuse to acknowledge this possibility, then you're taking an unwarranted leap of faith. That's hardly scientific. If you want to be scientific, then you need to build your claims on solid ground, not on faith.

No sir, YOUR position is unscientific, just because something is unfalsifiable does not mean it is true. There is an invisible dragon in my garage, its name is Fred and it is fond of Led Zepplin.

Prove to me it does not exist.

You cannot directly, but there is myriad of things OUTSIDE directly disproving it that disprove it. Like how utterly unreasonable that is on many levels. You are the only person taking an unwarranted leap of faith by going to not the BEST explaination of reality, which is objective reality which is totally consistant with the laws of phsyics, but going to another, applicable explaination of reality that is not applicable to even reason. The only reason its applicable is because it is totally unfalsifiable.

I am certain you are familiar with Richard Dawkins.

I am him right now, and you are Bill O'Rielly.


You are an athiest are you not? The same premise that pushed you to athiesim should push you to objective reality...

I mean if whatever is unfalsifiable is true than certainly God and the Catholic religion is true no?

So if you want to argue that subjective reality is nonsense, a good place to start would be to prove you're not dreaming. Eventually you'll realize that's impossible, as you can only perceive a proof through the lens of your consciousness, so you could have simply dreamed up the proof. And a dream proof can hardly be considered proof of anything.

This is not sufficent, it is totally true that I cannot prove that I am not dreaming, but just like the dragon in my garage, there is a myriad of factors pointing to the fact that I am not (like the question I first asked ^). Just like their is a myriad of factors against the assumption that their are Fairies at the bottom of the ocean, though I certainly cannot prove there are no Fairies.

Deep down we both know you're dreaming right now. You're just scared as hell to face what that might mean, so you cling to objectivity for a sense of security.

Why?

I would much prefer to be a god, please. If Subjective reality were true I would be giddy.

What is scary about it? I really don't see your point.

Objective reality is whats scary. Death, pain, loss.

My dreams are wonderful

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