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Old 06-21-2007, 03:25 AM
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Seriously though, I think you're starting to reach the point where the mind runs in circles. This will probably sound like a cop out answer, and even writing about it will reduce it to a mental concept (which has the problems you describe), but I think the only place to go from there is “within”. The place where there is perception without the trap you describe; Feeling-realisation, non-duality, “presence”, etc.
These forums and the constant posting here lead away from realization but yet many ideas point to realisation if you don't get attached to them. I fully agree with Bruce's quoted statement above.

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I’ve very briefly experienced such states at varying levels of depth myself, but I’m still far too green to discuss it with any authority. I can only point to it with words with the disclaimer “I’m a newb, whatever I say is probably wrong”, hehe.
Me too.
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