[Uplift]

You are what you are. And what you choose to be. If you are inclined to wonder about the reality, or reason of things, of yourself, the reality and truth of yourself, it is useless to waste time discussing it with someone that isn't. Just like, say if you are inclined, or interested in weight training, hanging around and discussing it with people that aren't will get you nowhere. All you will get is 'proof' that it is bad for you, or that this or that is better, and so on. All your energy, your being, will go into arguing and debating, not weight training. But if you seek out experience, and others interested in weight training, you'll be immersed in that. You may meet people that claim to weight train, or claim to be 'experts', that you will find aren't what they present, but if you are honest, and serious, you will learn how to, and be a weight trainer. It's the same with anything, including 'Spiritual quests'.

There are some amasing people on this planet, and always have been, and just like any other endeavour, some amasing con men and frauds, or even just good people that just aren't what they claim, for whatever reason. Saints, guru's, whatever you call them, have attracted attention through out human experience, just like, or even moreso than other outstanding people in whatever field. Think, it doesn't take much effort, or genius, to think what came before the first thing, what did the first whatever...ray, energy, wave, particle, string, thought, come from. Where does it all go, or end? If that interests you, discussing it, or taking advice from someone that isn't interested is a waste of time and counterproductive. And sometimes, just because someone says they are interested, or are 'into it' doesn't mean much either. I meet people that join gyms, buy supplements, gym gear, know all the 'lingo', tell you how much, and how hard they workout, how strict they are, how strong they are, how fit they are, and when you watch them 'train', you get a demo of why they look as if they have never trained in their lives. Same with anything. But if you are really honest with yourself you will eventually know if something, or someone is genuine or not. Or can help you or not.

Like anything, some people can find answers themselves, some need help. Even some world champions need coaches, it's no crime. If you are serious, you will come across what you look for. Plenty of good, honest, wise people, even outstanding people, will tell you about their spiritual experiences, if you are genuine, and how they got them, or who helped them. To assume and decide that they are all deluded, or stupid, or liars, or suckers is a choice. For instance, some friends recently showed a book to me about a respected Australian journalist who went to see the Indian lady 'Ammachi'. They described how the book outlines her sceptical approach, and how she, being 'flat chested', decided that if this woman was special, she would be able to make her breasts grow. When she got home, her breasts grew, she was dumbfounded, so she wrote the book. They described to me how the book outlined that doctors were unable to explain that even though she was older, her hormone profile had changed dramatically, inconsistent with her age, causing her breasts to grow. I don't know the name of the book, because I am not interested enough to properly read it, I have my own amasing proofs, I dont need anymore 'proof'. But if anyone was genuinely interested, I could easily ask them for the title and author and provide it. Or you could easily contact an Amma group and find out about it yourself. If you aren't you can easily sit back and say that I am full of ************. If you were interested, that might be a starting point. There are tons, tons of things like that if you look. Look at the young girls from Medjagorie. Amasing. Anyway, if you want to learn to swim, why spend time in the desert?