[Erock]

Yeah I guess if you really wanted to you could stretch the pain/pleasure model to fit every scenario, but what I was talking about earlier is the difference between the short term pleasure/pain cycle and long term fulfillment (which I guess could be considered a better pleasure?)

For example if you have goals to lose weight, the long term fulfillment of that versus the short term pleasure of eating a cookie.

I think adopting the belief that we are ruled by pain and pleasure is disempowering, although the model could fit.

Erock