[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by Lychee

You cannot physically see the laws which govern the universe. Does that mean that they don't exist? We cannot hear sounds which run above the wavelength human ears are attuned to, yet dogs can hear sounds above that pitch. Obviously, the human sense are limited. We cannot hear sound at a particular wavelength, but it does not mean that there is no sound being made. We cannot see this force, but it does not mean it is not there. For there to be an effect, there must be a cause. We are seeing the effect, not the cause.

I can physically sense the laws of the universe. Nothing humans sense is anything more than perception of the "effects" of things--but that doesn't make our knowledge worthless or unrelated to truth.

Causes and effects are just human labels for one thing that seems to consistently precede another. I don't think there's a fundamental difference between them that exists "out there."

This document is right in front of us. What could have made the systems of the human, the earth, the universe, and beyond work so perfectly that there is no conflict?

No, no human could have made this universe. But the alternative is not "God made it," but "the laws of the universe caused things to be this way."

You believe that people or mathematicians should seek to discover the undiscovered math. Could it be that in your world you should also seek to discover the undiscovered Creator?

I don't have any reason to believe there is a creator of the world.

I mean the duality of light and darkness. Good and evil. Love and apathy/hatred. What is even the point of these dichotomies if they serve no purpose?

They serve the purpose of telling us what values we should look for and what values we should avoid. But those things are completely individual choices. People create the purpose of their own existence--and they need some idea of "good" and "bad" to guide their actions; but these ideas are different for every individual.

There isn't any purpose but the purpose you make for yourself.

The answer that life is just the way it is puts an end to any questioning. If that is so, then why not answer the same for math? Aside from math dealing with equations, you could say math is just the way it is. Why should someone discover more math, but not discover more to life?

Life is "just the way it is," but it also isn't. Although it is an unchangeable fact, it has explanations and things to discover. I don't think life is a closed book--it's an open one and we should read, read, read! But that doesn't mean that in the end there's any higher guide than ourselves to what should be done with ourselves. Questions of "is" are discovered, but questions of "ought" have to decided.

Someone can't assign meaning to something and no meaning to something else. Why would applying meaning to things at all result in there being ultimately no meaning?

I don't think "applying meaning to things at all results in there being ultimately no meaning." I think there would be ultimately no meaning if you had to look further and further back indefinitely to find the deepest meaning, cause, or truth. Because there is a deepest meaning.

This is what removes the meaning from life. Not by trying to assign meaning to things, but by devaluing constructs and ideals. Why should people do something about them if they are to just be accepted for what they are, good or bad? Why should the questioning stop at just "just because"?

We should accept what they are, good or bad, and act accordingly! All I mean is there is no sense denying the existence or the nature of anything. People die. People do things that harmful to you and your values. Do something about it!