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Originally Posted by Kingston

All you need to see to understand polarization is the fact that GREAT results (whatever that may be) requires GREAT energy flow.

And? I think everyone here is mixing truths like "higher states of consciousness are better" and "you need great drive to do great things". Yes, and 2 plus 2 equals four. Again... You don't need polarization for that.

So that makes the mentioned conquerors and politicians just as much 'workers' as Ghandi and mother Theresa. If they functioned on the level of courage and pride, they wouldn't have had the brains to master the people and strategy necesary to conquer the world. 'Proud' and 'Courageous' selfish people are just annoying or delinquent.

Kingston, Napoleon sent all his possible genius and work through the drain because his pride descended into hubris and forgot that Russia cannot be invaded by land (not in the "the last one's a sissy way he did", at least). And I find him just another annoying delinquent, only smarter than the media. That guy had some reason, but he didn't get to the level of reason itself. If he had, he would have known his weaknesses. That is a flaw of polarization. Makes you weak. It's limiting. I don't want to be Napoleon. I don't want to be Mother Theresa. I want to be Olof Palmer, Warren Buffet or George R.R. Martin. Preferrably, I want to be Olof Palmer, Warren Buffet AND George R.R. Martin. From the examples you've given, polarizers stuff themselves with uncontrolled drive and get to 300 miles per hour. They go very fast and then crash. They succeed in one thing in life, and fail in everyone else. It's limiting, and the more we advance in this conversation, the more I think it is so.

Remember that someone of a higher level always controls people at lower levels (like pawns!)

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No. My political leaders are controlling many people, and they are NOT in higher states of consciousness. Just because someone controls another, it doesn't mean that the person in control has a higher level of consciousness. From that point of view, Steve is a lower level than Dick Cheney or George W. Bush, and that's simply, not true. That premise of yours is wrong.

If Putin and Berlusconi (or any other) didn't see the board and pieces rightly, they would never have made it to the political top. They would have been checkmated by their opponents.

They got to the political top due to a lack of power and education of others, true. But that doesn't make them go any higher in their states of consciousness. Your idea that if you control me, your state of consciousness must be higher, is not susteinable. If you have the machine guns, you can control a lot of people without having a higher state of consciousness. If you have 3 TV channels like Berlusconi, you get a hold over people. Of course, if those people were at levels like reason, they wouldn't be as manipulable... But that doesn't mean that Berlusconi is in a high level.

Musashi manifested great things, so he must have been polarized, and have a high level of consciousness.

Honestly, I am shocked... How can you say that? However manifested great things must have been polarized? And you say that without reason at all? Does the idea of polarization sweep all the need for logic in your life? Musashi was a killer, a server, proud, humble... ALL AT THE SAME TIME... Please, where is the polarization in that? He was totally and utterly and absolutely the opposite of polarization!

Again, I see Musashi as an example of success in life, unlike all the others you got there are failures. High, notorious failures, true... But failures all the same. What makes you think that getting to a president/ruler of a country and blowing things up makes your life a success?

The three things are inseparable.

Kingston, how can you say that? I don't see how you can say that because someone is successful and has a meaningful and purposeful life, he must have been polarized. How on earth can you know that?

That he was and artist and capable of caring simply shows the high quality (=level) of his mind. It was in his interest to be so. Alexander and Napoleon (and the others) have loved too. That does NOT make a case against their darkness.

As for the others, I don't discuss their colors, I discuss their greatness. They were NOT successes in life because in the end, most of them were destroyed by their hubris, which in the end, is a result of pride, which is a low state of consciousness. So, if those guys are polarization, polarization does not make you strong, is limiting, and does NOT get you to higher states of consciousness. If Napoleon had gotten to reason, he wouldn't have invaded Russia. If Putin had gotten to acceptance, he wouldn't threat a million Estonians to freeze in winter so his national pride is not hurt. They are NOT in higher states of consciousness, they are weak.

You say: Fame is not success. Wealth is not all of success. Political power is not success. These things might not mean success to YOU. A darkworker is here to GET. If you are a darkworker actor, Fame is success by definition. For a businessman, wealth is success by definition. For a samurai, a dead opponent is success. And for a politician, political power is success, again by definition!

No. All that stuff is success by the definition of the lower levels of consciousness. Political success is what Muhammed Yunus is doing in Bangladesh, or what Clinton did to the economy. Getting power for the sake of feeling greater, getting rich against the fear of being poor is NOT success in life, is a result of fear, anger and pride.

Doing BIG things for either yourself or the world requires focus, energy and brains.

Yes.

So if you see something really strong and beautiful, you see polarity by definition.

No. You see focus, energy and brains. You see drive. There is no need of polarity.

You don't care about political power of wealth, so what DO you care about? Is it a giving or a taking thing? Will you at least try to embrace your passion, whenever you are ready?

Already did. I've gotten into politics, but I want to change things, not to lie to my people about what the Estonian government does so I can keep in power. I have embraced my passion. What I don't see is why it all has to be give-give-give or take-take-take.

Why do you have to polarize to be with people with fire behind their eyes? Well, to the degree that their level is different from you, you will be either their pawn or their waste of time!

I am their equal, or if anything, that's what I am working to be. I need the drive, the energy, the guts and the brain. I don't see the need of polarization.

We know the comfort of being a pawn;

You may: that's a comfort I never had. I have never off-shored my mental processes, I assure you. I know that, the higher the level of your consciousness, the higher your independence, true. But again... It's about levels of consciousness. A polarized person in the common mingled states of desire/anger/fear is also a pawn, and the only thing he chooses is his colors.

However, I see it pretty much works for you. I don't think it will ever work for me. In any case, it's going to be a pretty experiment: let's see if we both can achieve success in our own way, and then let's compare megawatts

Thanks for trying to explain. I think having an open mind is very important. I've tried to understand it, I now understand it... And I still refuse to implant the concept in my life, since I find it limiting. But I went to bed knowing something more