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Originally Posted by Brutha  The color wheel doesn't describe physical colors. It describes how humans perceive colors.
Without human beings the wheel wouldn't make any sense.
You develop a metaphysical reasoning.
When their is a human who perceives color, you conclude that color exist.
When humans would lose their eyesight the colorwheel make no sense. Both ends of a rainbow don't meet each other.
Red has a wavelenght between 625 and 740 nm. Violet has between 420 and 380 nm. Those colors aren't next to each other by any physical standart.
It is only that the part of our eye that detects red gets also activted a bit from Violet light.
The colorwheel is a human construct.
If all humans would lose their eyesight, speaking of it wouldn't make any sense anymore, because it is only real because of humans.
If people would stop their believe in what the believed in that idea is dead.
If people would stop believing in God, the idea or concept of God is dead.
When you say: "God is dead" you mean therefore that the concept of God is dead.
Like saying communismn is dead. You don't acknowledge that communismn was right 50 years ago. You simply conclude that the idea of communismn is dead.
You conclude on your own misunderstanding of the claim that it is wrong.
The claim that God it dead doesn't
A large number of Hindu's and Buddhists don't believe in a God. The fact that you think that religions that have no God are practially the same as those who have a God rather proofs that the belief in God is irrelevant to religion.
When God is even irrelevant to religion it is also irrelevant society at large. |
I tried to say, as many times as I could, that there was alot more to the point I was making than what I was saying. I understand the wavelengths of red, violet, the shades, how similar, how different, ect..ect. I studied them for years, I know. I don't need the info just because you disagree with me.
I think you took my point out of context though. My point wasn't about our human perception of reality. If it was, then whatever we believe vs whatever we didn't believe would indeed determine what idea's or notions are dead or not. That wasn't my point though, I wasn't talking about the colors. Weather or not anything makes sense to us dosen't matter, it wouldn't change how things really work. I wasn't misunderstanding anything, I understand that our ideas of something being dead now makes the reality of the curcumstances nonexistant to us. At the same time though, our ideas determining our concepts our only limited to things we can control, which is alot, but at the same time, not so much.
I was trying to use that model, though there is alot more info than what I said, to illistrate that the first beginning has direct influence on not only how the progression will be outlined, but that it cannot survive without it. That's the point I was making. I wasn't talking about the concept or idea of it, because in that case, as well as others, it dosen't matter.
If all humans lost their vision, then the concept of color would make absolutely no sense to anyone, and we would find a system to live without it, so that we wouldn't need it, and that it wouldn't matter. However, all the while, the color would still exist and continue to exist, it would just be a matter of weather or not we'd use it in our lives, which we wouldn't be able to, but so what. The concept would be dead, but only to humans. Our revelations don't make things in reality pop into existence, only the concept of how to use it to our benefit does, that's what pops into existence. What we concieve, and then use, isn't defining the overall usefullness of what it is we're concieving, only it's usefullness to us humans. When our idea of something has died down, it has only died down to us, the concept never existed to anything else, but yet, it was always there.
When something can "see" things that others can't, it dosen't mean that it's only the reality to the one who can "see" it, it's just as much of a reality to the one who can't, weather good or bad. What is the greater reality, the existing or the "blind"? It's in vain for us to think that only the things we know and can apply in some way are the only things that exist.
There are millions of colors that we cannot see, and so, can't concieve or apply, and we are "blind" to them.
The ultimate reality is that in which we cannot see, touch, smell, taste, or concieve.