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Originally Posted by DaveTyler  How many on here believe in God, Im not talking about the christian god but if ou believe in him thats ok too.
Just want to see how many believe the universe was made by a supreme being after all the SR and Matrix talk that has been around here.
Personally I believe God is ALL, nothing can be seperate from God. I believe we can be one with this God when all illusionary seperation dissapears (enlightenment).
I think all is divine and love. So basically even the ants that crawls in the ground , bites you and annoys the ************ out of you is divine and has as much right as you to live. Ofcourse this is going extreme but killing any life form with out itbeing nessascary is wrong I think |
I agree. I do believe in God, although I find It very difficult in our society sometimes, not to believe, but to talk about believing, because there are alot of secularly minded people I know who question the design theory, faith, and keep looking in other places to see the devine, when it's right under our noses, in my opinion. I often get spoken to in a condescending way as if there's something I don't know, just decause I don't agree with them, or that I'm stupid, so I just try not to talk about it as much. But yes, I believe in God, and not only that, but a personal one. One who I can pray to, one who created everything. I think that the definition of creation has been warped by people inorganisations who preach a certain syatem of ideologies.
Why should they speak for everyone who calls themself a creationist? As a matter of fact, why is "creationist" even a word? Because of this molding of the word creation into a systematic Ideology, we have people out there who believe in god, but say that they don't believe in creation because they don't believe in this systematic ideology, but the word creation just means create, which is different than what you find. I find it hard to simultaneously believe in God, but yet not believe in creation. That's like saying that God didn't create anything, that he's just there somewhere, like I'm God. All because of this overall creation ideology that's soppossed to debunk the theory of evolution. I personally believe about 85% of evolution. Biogenesis, abiogenesis, micro-evolution, macro-evolution, darwinian evolution, are all different things, and I believe in aspects of every one.
I don't believe however, that any of those evolutionary theories have anything to do whatsoever with weather or not anything was created by God. I believe that a frog can turn into a toad, I believe that a snake can grow legs and turn into a lizard. I believe that physically, life can be formed my non-living molecules in the dirt on land, and in the fungus in water. Now, does any of this debunk creationism? Only if creationism is tought that these things can't happen under their ideology, which is a crime, because I belive that creation dosen't take the place of anything, it's the study of how it happened, which shouldn't even touch the boarder of evolution at all. It gives a bad name to both, evolution shouldn't act like it debuks creation, and creation shouldn't act like it debunks evolution, because contrary to popular belief, the two have nothing to do with each other. If God said that he created the color green, and I find that green is created by the mixture of blue and yellow, that dosen't mean that blue and yellow, "instead of God" created green. Modern creationist will say that blue and yellow didn't create green, that God did, and they say this because evolutionist will say that God didn't create green, that blue and yellow did. They're both wrong. I have to re-define creationism the way it was meant, and should be, understood.
Creationism is the study that all life and matter was created by a divine entity, in any way, shape, or form. That's it. That's all it is. If you believe that evolution is one of the many works of God, then you're a creationist, and you believe in evolution. It's not soppossed to be "one or the other", although it's turned into that.
The thing that puzzles me that people say is this: Only religeous people think that evolution and creation can co-exist, or that only believers in God think that evolution and religeon can co exist.
Well, just like I tried to outline above, this is a result of that, and it dosen't make any sense when everything is put back into context. "only believers in God think that evolution and creation can co-exist?" well first of all, people who believe in creation belive in God, and chances are that it's pretty hard for someone to be an atheist but still believe in the creation of life, so that rules that out. Secondly, there are two types of people who believe that the two can't co-exist, atheists, and religeous dagma. Now, what I mean by religeous dagma dosen't mean the "extreme", it means create by hand or by direct cause. I think you would have to believe that to not believe in evolution. everyone else few and far betwee, I think can believe in aspects of them both, without any interference from the other, the way it should be.
-I believe in God because it's what makes the most sense to me.
-I believe in God because I believe that good is a creation, while evil is a digression
-I believe in God, not because I am unsatisfied with our world and yearn for something more
-I believe in God, not because I wan't the extremists to represent me and kill others in religion based wars
-I believe in God because it represents peace, not hate, although some turn it around
-I believe in God because I feel fulfilled after I pray
I-believe in God, because I believe that he is BEHIND all physical workings of the world, life, our bodies, and our minds. Not SUBSTITUTING them.
- I believe in God, not because I want everyone to abide by the laws of humanly misunderstood teachings of the Bible, but because I can hope that one day, everyone will realize that the true way is to live good without the fear of any law, which I believe is God's intentions
-I believe in God, not because I don't want or think that people can overcome their problems themself, but because I believe that faith is the prime discipline of success, in any way, which I believe that God is the ultimate faith.
-I believe in God, not because I want him to control people and make them a certain way, but because the real way is to live peacefully willingly, not forcefully.
-I believe in God not because I think he dosen't stop wars and death because he dosen't care, but because the evil that exists in this world is not a force of it's own, but just a mere digression of the force. That sin is not a "to do" list, that it is a desease. That the disobedience of good will halts creative processes and positive progression, and starts a digression of those creative and progressive forces to ultimate obscurity and to ultumately cause nothingness. That our free will lets us make this choice to have this possibility in this world, and so it must exist, and that our willfull embrace of the good in this world is indeed the ultimate embrace, more so than the embrace that would exist in a world that didn't have the possibility of darkness. That the willfull embrace of God is more powerfull than unwillfull, and that a world filled with the united willfull embrace of God would be the most powerfull of them all.