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Iksander · 05-29-2007, 06:04 AM

How can you prove to me that what you are perceiving through your senses is the same as what I am perceiving?

(answer is, you cannot, we can only agree to think that we do)

What is the only true constant that is EVER really agreed upon?

(answer is, consciousness, thought, ideas, etc...)

All things unmeasurable are like all things measurable; your thoughts, personality, the 'I AM' that you identify as unmistakably you, the visceral feelings in your chest, and the power of affirmative thought are ALL unmeasurable. Yet you seem to believe in them? When you think a thought, or hear that 'you' voice when thinking about where to arrange the forks in the kitchen next, are all unmeasurable in comparison with our material world (which, past a certain point, is also unmeasurable).

So what makes the spiritual/metaphysic/esoteric topics any DIFFERENT then the above topics that seem very familiar?

I like to look at my life, as a spiritual being, as a kind of symbiosis - rather than a, "Me is this, thing is that" viewpoint. As a unit of consciousness I am constantly perceiving impressions sent to my consciousness by virtue of my senses - through this 'perceiving' I do in truth give life to what is my environment. If I did not have the feeling senses of my skin, my inner-ear balancing mechanism, my ears, my nose, or my eyes; my environment would literally NOT exist! At the same time, my environment also defines me, without something to sense impressions from it would seem as though I had no reference point for my own existence.

Once I die, my environment also dies and a harmonizing occurs between two dualistic entities; one being 'broad', or 'non-local' (the environment, world, whatever) and the other being 'specific', 'local' (the I, or I AM that is me).

There are so many symbols, allegories, archetypes, and motif's to draw upon I could easily turn this post in to a book (not a bad idea, might write a blog post about it).

So, to get around and answer your question - what is my 'basis' or 'back up argument' for my system of belief?

Answer is (drum roll): you

The King and the Land are one. 10=8 and what is the Universe? A Unit Sphere. Zero to Infinity and Infinity to Zero (Masculine/Feminine dichotomy, Space/Time dichotomy, Local/Non-Local dichotomy, Inside-me/Outside-me dichotomy...). Some ideas to mull over...

Your consciousness defines the reality you realize.

05-29-2007, 06:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
Iksander Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 219	How can you prove to me that what you are perceiving through your senses is the same as what I am perceiving? (answer is, you cannot, we can only agree to think that we do) What is the only true constant that is EVER really agreed upon? (answer is, consciousness, thought, ideas, etc...) All things unmeasurable are like all things measurable; your thoughts, personality, the 'I AM' that you identify as unmistakably you, the visceral feelings in your chest, and the power of affirmative thought are ALL unmeasurable. Yet you seem to believe in them? When you think a thought, or hear that 'you' voice when thinking about where to arrange the forks in the kitchen next, are all unmeasurable in comparison with our material world (which, past a certain point, is also unmeasurable). So what makes the spiritual/metaphysic/esoteric topics any DIFFERENT then the above topics that seem very familiar? I like to look at my life, as a spiritual being, as a kind of symbiosis - rather than a, "Me is this, thing is that" viewpoint. As a unit of consciousness I am constantly perceiving impressions sent to my consciousness by virtue of my senses - through this 'perceiving' I do in truth give life to what is my environment. If I did not have the feeling senses of my skin, my inner-ear balancing mechanism, my ears, my nose, or my eyes; my environment would literally NOT exist! At the same time, my environment also defines me, without something to sense impressions from it would seem as though I had no reference point for my own existence. Once I die, my environment also dies and a harmonizing occurs between two dualistic entities; one being 'broad', or 'non-local' (the environment, world, whatever) and the other being 'specific', 'local' (the I, or I AM that is me). There are so many symbols, allegories, archetypes, and motif's to draw upon I could easily turn this post in to a book (not a bad idea, might write a blog post about it). So, to get around and answer your question - what is my 'basis' or 'back up argument' for my system of belief? Answer is (drum roll): you The King and the Land are one. 10=8 and what is the Universe? A Unit Sphere. Zero to Infinity and Infinity to Zero (Masculine/Feminine dichotomy, Space/Time dichotomy, Local/Non-Local dichotomy, Inside-me/Outside-me dichotomy...). Some ideas to mull over... Your consciousness defines the reality you realize. __________________ "Speak your mind, even if your voice trembles."