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Old 05-28-2007, 06:17 PM   #15 (permalink)
Mr.Mustache
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I am really trying to wrap my head around the SR concept, and I thought I had it until Steve wrote that he is responsible for the VT shootings. The way that it sounded to me was that he created this experience for his own growth and development.

Now, I see that I bring experiences into my life by allowing them in through my eyes, ears, mouth, etc. I see that I have a choice whether to watch the news, and can thereby affect how much of the world's experience will become mine. I can further see that having an experience such as the VT shootings enter my consciousness is my responsibility because of choices I've made about not closing myself off entirely to the world of information. I see that it is my responsibility to choose how I feel about a given thing as well. The part I don't get is how, from an SR standpoint, and from Steve's perspective:

1. The shooting did not actually happen until Steve was made aware of it.
2. The actual shooting itself was Steve's responsibility.

(Of course, if you are an SR believer, you will freely replace Steve's name with your own.)

Number two brings me the strongest emotional response and some questions.

Steve, (and anyone else with a firm grasp of SR) let's say for the sake of discussion, that I am the parent of one of the kids that was killed that day. You have taken responsibility for that killing. Keeping in mind that this forum may very likely be read sometime by a person in this actual position, can you please answer me this:

1. What gives you the right to kill my child for your own personal growth?
2. How can you call yourself a Lightworker if you go around killing people for your own personal gain?

Finally, am I taking what Steve (and other SR believers) has written too literally? Am I mistaken in my understanding that he is taking responsibility for the actual deaths? Or is he perhaps taking responsibility for his experience of those deaths and I am misunderstanding?

Your thoughtful answers will be truly appreciated. I have a strong desire to understand this. Thank you for taking the time to read.
I think steve's explaination of SR is too vague. That is probably why so many people whine about the concept.

What I think Steve meant when you said he had to take responsibility for the VA shooting was that we are all responsible for what happened. Our personal realities are always intersecting and we all help create our reality, therefore we all collectivley made the massacre a reality and so we are collectivley responsible.

You must be the change you wish to see in the world. If you see violence you must respond with peace (not outrage) otherwise we will keep creating violence.

Is that so hard to understand? It doesn't matter if you think the idea of SR is crazy, SR can still be consistent even if it is explained poorly.

I would also like to say that your individuality is not an illusion, this is the biggest misconception of non-duality ( even Steve I think believes this). Your personality is interconnected with all others, this is true, but that doesn't mean that someday you will "wake up" your individuality will dissolve.

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