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Originally Posted by Sunnybayes  A definition of spiritual [for the purpose of this post]: using terms that are fuzzy and not well defined yet.
A definition of science: the terms have been tested against reality very accurately and have been strongly defined. |
Could you clarify what you mean by "the terms have been tested against reality very accurately"?
The meaning of spirituality is fairly amorphous, but you're really stretching it with "using terms that are fuzzy and not well defined yet." By saying "for the purpose of this post" are you redefining spirituality to mean something different in order to get us to restrict our interpretations?
Taking everything else into account it seems your definition is a definition of the use of the
language of spirituality. Is that what you intended?
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Originally Posted by Sunnybayes Spirituality is necessary before you can do science.
Spirituality is your best guess before you can back it up with science. |
The second line follows the first if you consider the second to mean you need to form a hypothesis before attempting to verify it. But if that's the case you've confused spirituality with rational thought. The former may contain the latter, but the latter is not dependent on the former.
It reads as if the first line is a proposition, but really it's one conclusion formed from the following two propositions.
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Originally Posted by Sunnybayes Spirituality is faith that a concept works before you know how to tie it to reality, spirituality becomes science once it is backed up with reality. |
You don't need faith in a concept in order to analyse it. In fact uncertainty is the
reason for many scientific experiments. The science can exist independent of spirituality, but yes, a spiritual belief can become a scientific belief.
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Originally Posted by Sunnybayes Spirituality is the root of all evil : evil as in not seeking the truth (using fuzzy terms) and backing it up with reality.
Therefore spirituality is the root of all evil and the path to goodness and truth. |
You've defined not seeking the truth as one aspect of evil. How does this lead to being the root of
all evil? Also, was there are typo there? Spirituality is both the root of all evil
and the path to goodness and truth?
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Originally Posted by Sunnybayes Conclusion? Probably made several times before, but Spirituality and Science are not really in conflict, in fact they compliment and need each other. |
I think I can see how you reached this conclusion if I take a few leaps and blind turns, but I don't agree with you. I agree that they compliment each other, but I don't agree that either one is necessary for the other.
I take a different view, which Jenny
summarised. Here's an excerpt:
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Science is the language of rational thought and is grounded in an objective world view. It relies upon observation and repeated testing to form its truths. Its language is literal and fact based. On the other hand, spirituality is the language of metaphorical truths and intensely personal subjective world views. It is solidly grounded upon commonly experienced individual truths of both the nature of the divine and of social order. The myths and theologies of the world’s religions explain its world views. Together science and spirituality paint a more complete picture of the world we live in than when either is viewed alone.
Put another way:
Spirituality = experience of life = subjective understanding
Science = observation of life = objective understanding
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That shows that both science and spirituality can provide a more complete understanding of the world than either alone, but it says nothing about either being needed by the other.
I also believe that in regards to experience of life, spirituality doesn't necessitate the supernatural aspects with which it is usually associated.